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RE: Playcalling or Execution? - Tandy - 09-15-2010 04:36 PM
OK, I am loathe to even say this, but maybe Gonzo was referring to the spots. Although they won't ever admit it - you could see it was aggravating Coach Smith and the players several times.
I haven't mentioned this, only because I didn't want to go there with this game, but when I was breaking down the game frame by frame to get the OL pocket hold time on passes - I noticed very distinctly that Atlanta was getting spotted 1/4 - 3/4 yards behind where the ball hit on many, many plays. By the same token, Steelers were getting very generous spots by about the same amount. At first, I was like - yeah right - but the more I watched - the more I saw it. It wasn't as blatant as some of the ones in New England last year - but it definitely cost us some first downs.
I even went to look it up after reviewing the game to see if it was the same officiating crew that was over our game last year in NE.
RE: Playcalling or Execution? - JKH5785 - 09-15-2010 04:37 PM
We are very predictable! and that is play-calling
It's hard to execute when the defense has an idea what's coming
as far as the spots, our offense should be leaving it up 1/4 - 3/4 of yard being the difference of a first down or a punt.
RE: Playcalling or Execution? - Radical - 09-15-2010 04:41 PM
The no huddle introduces other elements that add to its success rather than Mularkey isn't directly calling the plays. I listed them in the other thread.
The Wildcat does catch teams off guard. Don't believe me? Listen to Mike Smith and our players talk about it from last year, listen to other players talk about it. When your across the line looking over those huge linemen and having to figure out your responsibility on the play before the snap, while keeping in mind to not over pursue on all the fakes and reverses, you can get caught off guard.
I do it all the time. Usually though, people aren't making very general criticisms about something like people have been with Mularkey. How about you put in the effort to answer the questions instead of getting upset every time someone calls you on it.
He said you tell me, it seems like we're executing(which other players don't always say is the case), but turn up a yard or two short. You're arms are breaking from the reach of saying that he is clearly calling out Mularkey.
I've already provided the reasons I believe in Mularkey's scheme. It is because of his past success with us and the Steelers. I've stated that it is a lack of execution, particularly from our #2 and below WRs, our line most of all, and sometimes even Ryan himself.
RE: Playcalling or Execution? - atl falcon 89 - 09-15-2010 04:42 PM
(09-15-2010 04:36 PM)Tandy Wrote: OK, I am loathe to even say this, but maybe Gonzo was referring to the spots. Although they won't ever admit it - you could see it was aggravating Coach Smith and the players several times.
I haven't mentioned this, only because I didn't want to go there with this game, but when I was breaking down the game frame by frame to get the OL pocket hold time on passes - I noticed very distinctly that Atlanta was getting spotted 1/4 - 3/4 yards behind where the ball hit on many, many plays. By the same token, Steelers were getting very generous spots by about the same amount. At first, I was like - yeah right - but the more I watched - the more I saw it. It wasn't as blatant as some of the ones in New England last year - but it definitely cost us some first downs.
I even went to look it up after reviewing the game to see if it was the same officiating crew that was over our game last year in NE.
Tandy I don't know if its bad luck or if the conspiracy nuts are dead on but sometimes it definatly does feel like teams like the Saints and Pats get favorable calls where other teams get the short end of the stick.
Maybe we're just seeing what we want to see or maybe the refs are letting team history cloud thier judgment(ie falcons are a bad team so if its close they probally didn't get that first down) (you can laugh but thats an open way of life in the star driven NBA)
RE: Playcalling or Execution? - JKH5785 - 09-15-2010 04:46 PM
Play-calling has everything to do with knowing you are up against a strong pass rush with an inconsistent line, but you keep calling comeback routes which take time to develop.
When I played WR, we didn't run comebacks unless we had good o-line protection.
If we are up against one of the best pass rushing teams in the league, and we are continually running plays with routes that take time develop - time we don't have, that has everything to do with the playcalling and it's ludicrous to blame the offensive line for execution when they are being put in that situation.
We should have been running more slants and crosses, RBs out of the back field into the flats, RBs out of the backfield running post routes.
RE: Playcalling or Execution? - Radical - 09-15-2010 04:46 PM
(09-15-2010 04:37 PM)JKH5785 Wrote: We are very predictable! and that is play-calling
It's hard to execute when the defense has an idea what's coming
as far as the spots, our offense should be leaving it up 1/4 - 3/4 of yard being the difference of a first down or a punt.
How are we predictable, and how does it relate to Mularkey? Ryan threw to Roddy a lot when he ran the deep out, but there were other receivers on the field that Ryan can choose from(including an open Douglas running a seam route on the interception).
Just so you know, Mularkey doesn't tell Ryan to throw a deep out to Roddy, and Mularkey didn't tell Ryan to throw to him 22 times either(I say 22 because one of the 23 was a clear throw away).
RE: Playcalling or Execution? - Tandy - 09-15-2010 04:47 PM
(09-15-2010 04:42 PM)atl falcon 89 Wrote:(09-15-2010 04:36 PM)Tandy Wrote: OK, I am loathe to even say this, but maybe Gonzo was referring to the spots. Although they won't ever admit it - you could see it was aggravating Coach Smith and the players several times.
I haven't mentioned this, only because I didn't want to go there with this game, but when I was breaking down the game frame by frame to get the OL pocket hold time on passes - I noticed very distinctly that Atlanta was getting spotted 1/4 - 3/4 yards behind where the ball hit on many, many plays. By the same token, Steelers were getting very generous spots by about the same amount. At first, I was like - yeah right - but the more I watched - the more I saw it. It wasn't as blatant as some of the ones in New England last year - but it definitely cost us some first downs.
I even went to look it up after reviewing the game to see if it was the same officiating crew that was over our game last year in NE.
Tandy I don't know if its bad luck or if the conspiracy nuts are dead on but sometimes it definatly does feel like teams like the Saints and Pats get favorable calls where other teams get the short end of the stick.
Maybe we're just seeing what we want to see or maybe the refs are letting team history cloud thier judgment(ie falcons are a bad team so if its close they probally didn't get that first down) (you can laugh but thats an open way of life in the star driven NBA)
Maybe the NBA is not the best comparison considering the Donaghy debacle!
RE: Playcalling or Execution? - Radical - 09-15-2010 04:48 PM
(09-15-2010 04:46 PM)JKH5785 Wrote: Play-calling has everything to do with knowing you are up against a strong pass rush with an inconsistent line, but you keep calling comeback routes which take time to develop.
When I played WR, we didn't run comebacks unless we had good o-line protection.
If we are up against one of the best pass rushing teams in the league, and we are continually running plays with routes that take time develop - time we don't have, that has everything to do with the playcalling and it's ludicrous to blame the offensive line for execution when they are being put in that situation.
We should have been running more slants and crosses, RBs out of the back field into the flats, RBs out of the backfield running post routes.
We were running more than comeback routes. We ran some WR screens, quick outs, seam routes, drag routes, hitches, etc.
There is no way you are going to get by with saying that the offensive line wasn't a problem when Ryan wasn't even getting 3 seconds at best to get rid of the ball, and it was being shoved back in his face all day as well.
RE: Playcalling or Execution? - BullRush - 09-15-2010 04:48 PM
(09-15-2010 04:37 PM)JKH5785 Wrote: We are very predictable! and that is play-calling
It's hard to execute when the defense has an idea what's coming
as far as the spots, our offense should be leaving it up 1/4 - 3/4 of yard being the difference of a first down or a punt.
Yes but the OC rarely scripts anything but the first series or two. Then it becomes situational. Then Matt is just as responsible.
It'd be different if he scripted everything and the QB had no option. a la Greg Knapp
RE: Playcalling or Execution? - Radical - 09-15-2010 04:50 PM
(09-15-2010 04:48 PM)BullRush Wrote: It'd be different if he scripted everything and the QB had no option. a la Greg Knapp
Oh dear God, don't remind me of that.
That's one time for sure I can say for certain that OC was a VERY big problem.
What kind of OC has 2 WRs running 0 yard out patterns right next to each other, or every WR on the field running a curl on a naked boot?