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Hit the damn QB! - Drathdon - 01-29-2013 11:40 PM
So, I keep rethinking our playoff games, especially the SF one, and I just don't understand why defenses, including ours, are playing right into the hands of this option crap.
Seems to me the answer is simple. Remember Abe rushing in, pausing, and watching Gore run around him? Fuck that! Just hit the damn QB full speed!
That offense lives off of not blocking the end, and running an option. Fuck the option! Hit the QB!
"I thought he had the ball."
Every time. Full speed.
Hit the QB!
Let the LB worry about the RB. Don't play their game, and pull up trying to figure out who has the ball... that means you get no one. Go full speed, and hit the QB. Force him to option, and let the LB and Safety clean that up.
How many people here think that offense will keep running that in the 4th quarter when their QB gets hit, hard and full speed, every time they even think of the option. Pop! "Oh, thought you had the ball. Wasn't that the point?"
So what if they call a foul? The QB took the ball and left the pocket. He is a RB, and won't get the protection, and if he does, who cares? Pop him hard, and take the 15.
I guarantee you that teams could end this whole option crap by hitting the QB every time on any option. Quit freezing in the gap and bury them!
Am I the only one seeing this?
RE: Hit the damn QB! - TeamPlayer1 - 01-29-2013 11:46 PM
That was exactly the formula that killed the wisbone offense in the NFL. If he runs an option, he is a running back. Nail him every play, he could have the ball!
RE: Hit the damn QB! - Jesus - 01-29-2013 11:54 PM
It must be some kind of unwritten rule. Nail our QB and we nail yours. Its legal to crack when he runs. Then again brush his facemask with a finger and its 15.
RE: Hit the damn QB! - papachaz - 01-30-2013 12:18 AM
this actually seemed to be more of a problem in the seattle game to me. we just seemed to stop rushing. more like we were so worried about 'contain' we stopped pushing. did we manage a hit on wilson OR kap in either game? I know we sacked wilson at the end of the first half, but it wasn't really a bone jarring type sack.
totally agree with you, and it was said by several people before the game, just level his ass anytime he's outside the pocket. of course we'd have to have people who can actually wrap up and tackle for it to work
RE: Hit the damn QB! - AUTiger7222 - 01-30-2013 08:44 AM
I don't remember who it was but someone said this exact same thing when asked how to defend the read option. They just kept saying it over and over again, hit the QB, hit the QB, hit the QB.
RE: Hit the damn QB! - RFlagg - 01-30-2013 09:41 AM
Here's my thing about the read option, it can be defended and the play is telegraphed. Here's how it sets up.
Code:
TE T G C G T WR
WR
FB QB
RBIn this situation, we know the ball is go to the right, that's the way the read option works. So how do you defend that? Here's an idea, overload that side! Shift your entire defense over like so.
Code:
X X
X X NB
X X X X X X
TE T G C G T WR
WR
FB QB
RBIn watching all these read option plays, I always saw the ball go to the opposite side that the full back lined up on. Every time. With this defensive front, you have 2 DBs covering the WR, a safety covering the TE (a bit of a stretch for us, I know), but you also have already taken the LT out of the play. There is no way he can pickup a block without holding. Overload and send one LB and the NB up field. Sure there are other formations for the read option, but this is the most common and should be the easiest to stop.
RE: Hit the damn QB! - NCFalconfan - 01-30-2013 09:43 AM
(01-30-2013 08:44 AM)AUTiger7222 Wrote: I don't remember who it was but someone said this exact same thing when asked how to defend the read option. They just kept saying it over and over again, hit the QB, hit the QB, hit the QB.That was Bill Parcells who said it. And I agree- you knock the living hell out of the QB on the read option whether he has the ball or not. I feel like the teams running this sort of offense are taking advantage of the fact that the NFL is hyper-sensitive to QB taking hits these days. Almost as if they know that defenses are afraid to hit QB (especially and empty handed one) for fear of drawing a 15 yard penalty flag from over sensitive refs and probably followed up with a fine from the commissioner.
RE: Hit the damn QB! - phocis850 - 01-30-2013 11:07 AM
This sounds great and all, but who is going to even get close to the QB?
Then, if the DE goes unblocked, you are basically leaving a tackle and running back alone to get into the secondary.
Hit the QB may equal being hit with a 15, 20, 30 yard gain.
RE: Hit the damn QB! - mdrake34 - 01-30-2013 11:33 AM
I think the answer, a part from lots of film study and practice, is the new breed of "hybrid defenders" everyone is talking about to cover the new generation of rangy TE's. You need that defender to be in a position to blow up the read option. It will take a combination of a couple of players on any given play, really.
Against SF, we totally shut down Kapernick's running lanes on the read option, so he handed it off. Problem is, we couldn't defend the hand off because we were so busy trying to contain Kaepernick.
RE: Hit the damn QB! - papachaz - 01-30-2013 11:41 AM
Hey Flagg, aren't most plays easier to defend if you have 12 guys on defense? provided of course that the refs don't count that high.........
or does your 'code' just mean that last x on the right is the NB, not that you have an extra guy out there?