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RE: WhoDats on Saintsreport going ape shit - ATLBound - 06-12-2012 02:49 PM
(06-12-2012 12:19 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: Fortunately, the Saints have been running the same exact offense for six years. 90% of it was in place the minute the season ended and Payton installed the remaining 10% before taking his "vacation". The entire offensive staff have been in place since 2006 with OC Pete Carmichael having spent that entire time working every week with Payton and Brees to develop the game plans. Carmichael has also been calling the plays every week since Payton suffered his leg injury last year. You see, that genius head coach surrounded himself with one of the finest staffs in the entire league.
I love it when Saints fans point out the fact that Carmichael has been calling plays since Payton got injured
They fail to mention that while Payton was in the booth and off the sidelines the Saints went 1-2 against the likes of the cream of the crop
Bucs, Rams, and Colts
Payton had seen enough and decided to come down tl the field after that. Key thing here is that there will be no Payton on the side of the field in Pete's ear saying "Don't do that", "Change this", "This is better", "Switch that up" etc.
Now you'll get the average Saints fans that will say well we scored 62 on the Colts. Well guess what they picked first in the draft for a reason.
*Waits for INSIDE INFO from Guido that says otherwise*
RE: WhoDats on Saintsreport going ape shit - pauliwood - 06-12-2012 03:22 PM
They lost to the Rams and Bucs intentionally to get a better draft pick, duh, everyone knows that.
RE: WhoDats on Saintsreport going ape shit - hitwriter - 06-12-2012 03:40 PM
(06-11-2012 09:42 PM)Templar Wrote: The reason that there is no division in the aints locker room is that they're all fudge packing each other....and maybe some of the fans too.
LMAO... the words fudge packing and scoops in the same post... just gagged and threw up in mouth a bit.
RE: WhoDats on Saintsreport going ape shit - AsylumGuido - 06-12-2012 05:22 PM
For those of you concerned about the how the Saints are dealing with the offseason, here is an excellent article by Gil Brandt on his two day visit with the Saints recently.
Saints still look like contenders despite trying offseason
METAIRIE, La. -- One of my favorite things to do is visit minicamps in the spring, after the draft and most of free agency have played out. It's a great opportunity to see how teams are attacking the game differently, how rookies are integrating into the NFL and how the pieces are fitting together in a general sense.
This offseason, no team piqued my interest more than the New Orleans Saints. The Saints are the NFL's most embattled team these days. From the bounty scandal to the resulting suspensions to the Drew Brees contract stalemate, New Orleans has become a beacon for drama over the past few months. A lot of folks wonder if this team will crumble under the strain of adversity. Consequently, I didn't know what to expect on my trip to the Big Easy last week and would not have been surprised by a sloppy showing from a depleted coaching staff and dispirited group of players.
I observed just the opposite.
This is a team that has won 41 games (playoffs included) since 2009 -- including the franchise's first Super Bowl title -- and seems destined to continue this successful run in 2012, despite surrounding turmoil. Spending two days at Saints OTAs, experiencing everything from practice to film sessions with the coaching staff to cafeteria downtime, I saw an extremely focused team that should once again be a Super Bowl contender.
Here are five reasons why:
1. The depleted coaching staff's adjusting remarkably well to life without Sean Payton.
Bounty punishments took Sean Payton from the Saints for the entire 2012 season (beginning in April). Assistant head coach/linebackers coach Joe Vitt has been tasked with filling in for Payton, but he faces a six-game suspension once the season begins. For now, though, Vitt looks like the perfect man for the job. This is a guy who has spent his entire, 33-year coaching career in the NFL, learning from some of the game's finest figures, including Chuck Knox in Seattle. Although he's never been a full-time head coach, his extensive experience, toughness and brutal honesty allows him to form a strong rapport with players. But he also has a fantastic relationship with the rest of the coaching staff, allowing everyone to perform their respective duties without interference.
Despite a brand new coordinator in Steve Spagnuolo, the defense looks very much in sync. After running an extremely aggressive defense based on man coverage under Gregg Williams, the Saints are settling into more quarters (zone) coverage with Spagnuolo at the helm. And the players have responded very well to this change in philosophy, particularly safeties Malcolm Jenkins and Roman Harper, who have both immediately picked up the new scheme. New middle linebacker Curtis Lofton, a man with increased importance due to Jonathan Vilma's season-long suspension, looks 10 pounds lighter from a season ago. Lofton's playing quicker in general and performing better in pass coverage. After observing practice, I joined the defensive staff for a film session and was amazed to see how well the unit's already operating. I was shocked by how few mistakes/corrections were being made. It was not an intense critiquing session at all -- just some tweaks here and there. Spagnuolo and Co. are very well-organized, presenting a clear game plan for a defense eager to improve on last year's lackluster showing. (From 2010 to 2011, New Orleans fell from fourth to 24th in total defense.) The Saints' defense looked above average for this time of the year.
Offensively, with Payton out of the picture, this is Pete Carmichael's show. Just 40 years old, Carmichael has the makings of an NFL head coach going forward. He's a very bright, forward-thinking offensive mind. Clearly, this is a completely different team without Drew Brees at the helm, but Carmichael has done a nice job orchestrating the offense with Chase Daniel behind center. The Saints are even incorporating some of the things Daniel excelled with during his college days at Missouri -- half rolls, generally moving the pocket -- as an emergency plan, just in case Brees' holdout continues. All in all, the offense is in good hands with Carmichael.
With Spagnuolo, Carmichael and offensive line coach Aaron Kromer essentially vying for a six-week head coaching position (once Vitt's suspension begins), it's easy to imagine this staff fracturing. But that's not the case at all. This is a very cohesive bunch that doesn't have trouble dividing up duties.
2. New Orleans has received enviable player commitment this offseason.
As mentioned before, the Saints' contract dispute with Brees is ongoing. But of the players under contract and healthy, the Saints report 100 percent attendance at offseason workouts. The general training regimen has been stupendous. One player who particularly stands out is Will Smith. The ninth-year veteran defensive lineman has been suspended for the first four games of 2012 for his involvement in the Saints' bounty system. A lot of times, when players are put in tough positions -- whether they're going through divorce or, in this case, a league reprimand -- they tend to slack off. But Smith has responded by getting in the best shape I can remember since he first entered the league in 2004 out of Ohio State. He performed fluidly in drills and generally looks like a man on a mission. Smith has responded admirably to difficult circumstances -- a common quality on this Saints roster.
Brees received great praise -- and rightfully so -- for organizing Saints workouts during last summer's labor dispute. But he's certainly not the only leader on this Saints roster, so nothing's breaking down in the absence of the franchise quarterback. Smith, Harper and Jenkins continue to carry the torch on the defensive side of the ball, while the offense has a number of true professionals, including running back Darren Sproles, who displays a quiet leadership. This team has a very strong core, which is a godsend with all the distractions that have presented themselves. Through all this turmoil, the Saints have really come together as an organization.
3. The Saints remain focused on the task at hand, not outside distractions.
Despite the emotional toll this team has taken, there are no lingering effects from the NFL's unprecedented punishments. Contrary to what many may think, it's not even a topic of conversation around camp. Spending time in the locker room and cafeteria, I didn't hear a single mention of "Bountygate." This team has not gone astray at all. There's no feeling of gloom and doom. Just a group of single-minded players going about their business.
On the field, the team's focus was outstanding. During the two days I attended practice, I didn't witness a single false start, offsides or failed QB-center exchange -- three things that can go awry at this time of year. The season's still three months away and the temperature's in the triple digits, but nobody's lollygagging at the back of the line or halfheartedly going through the motions. This team is locked in.
4. Chase Daniel is doing his best Drew Brees impression.
One thing I'll always remember from my Cowboys days is how much Tom Landry stressed QB-WR harmony. He thought this was the most important relationship on the entire team, having quarterbacks and receivers annually report to camp three days before everyone else for "Quarterback School." The main focus was to develop proper timing.
For this reason, Brees' absence is certainly not ideal. That being said, Daniel looks as close to Brees as you can get for a stand-in. He's worked hard to improve his upper-body strength and throws a very nice ball. Daniel routinely hit the back-shoulder fade that Brees has mastered over the years and reacted well to the blitz. Thus, despite Brees' absence, Saints pass catchers are getting a lot out of these workouts with Daniel at the helm. Daniel's certainly not Brees, but he does a fantastic job playing Brees' role in this offense.
Of course, Daniel was involved in a bit of a scuffle with Lofton that drew national headlines. Truth be told, it's very seldom that a day goes by without a little dustup in team workouts -- especially when it's 100 degrees outside. These things happen. And three plays later, I noticed Daniel and Lofton joking around with each other. No big deal.
5. Jimmy Graham displays unlimited upside.
No player was more impressive than third-year tight end Jimmy Graham. The former Miami Hurricanes basketball player is still just scratching the surface of his potential. He's unbelievably fluid for a guy who stands at 6-foot-6, 260 pounds, and makes outstanding adjustments on the ball. A lot of people compare Graham to Antonio Gates because of his basketball background, but his body type and smoothness are more reminiscent of Hall of Famer Kellen Winslow.
Graham broke through last season with 1,310 receiving yards and 11 touchdowns on 99 catches. This year, I can see him eclipsing 100 receptions. He's that good. We're looking at a perennial Pro Bowler for years to come.
* * * * *
The drama swirling around New Orleans this offseason could bury some organizations, but the cohesive effort I witnessed last week couldn't have been more encouraging for the team's prospects in 2012. It goes without saying that everything relies on Brees returning to the team. So long as No. 9 is behind center, though, this team will remain highly formidable in the fall.
While the NFC South looks to be one of the toughest divisions in football, I predict the Saints will take their third division title in four years. Despite what some may think, this team will be in the hunt for Super Bowl XLVII, which just so happens to be in New Orleans ...
RE: WhoDats on Saintsreport going ape shit - AsylumGuido - 06-12-2012 05:33 PM
(06-12-2012 02:49 PM)ATLBound Wrote: I love it when Saints fans point out the fact that Carmichael has been calling plays since Payton got injured
Carmichael also called the plays for the next seven regular season games during which the Saints went 7-0 including two wins over the Falcons (26-23, 45-16) and wins over the Giants (49-24), the Lions (31-17), the Panthers (45-17) and the Vikings (42-20). All in all, the Saints went 9-2 with Carmichael holding the playchart.
RE: WhoDats on Saintsreport going ape shit - ATLBound - 06-12-2012 07:20 PM
(06-12-2012 05:33 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: Carmichael also called the plays for the next seven regular season games during which the Saints went 7-0 including two wins over the Falcons (26-23, 45-16) and wins over the Giants (49-24), the Lions (31-17), the Panthers (45-17) and the Vikings (42-20). All in all, the Saints went 9-2 with Carmichael holding the playchart.
You missed the WHOLE point of the post. You always overlook the obvious that you can't defend.
When Payton wasn't on the sideline the Saints with Carmichael calling the plays went 1-2 against the bottom dwellers of the league...the Bucs, Rams, and Colts. That's 3 of the top 5 picks in the draft based on the draft order.
Payton saw the playcalling and the offensive production going downhill so Payton moved back to the sidelines and that's when they went 7-0.
So, read carefully here, with Carmichael calling plays and Payton OFF the sideline they went 1-2 against 3 of the worst teams in the league. With Payton ON the sideline the Saints went 7-0.
The problem with this for you is that the Saints will NOT have Payton on the sideline this year as we all know. So the 1-2 record is more indicative of the type of team you will see rather than the 7-0 team.
You don't have to agree with me, but the logic behind my reasoning should be understood at least.
RE: WhoDats on Saintsreport going ape shit - AsylumGuido - 06-12-2012 07:47 PM
(06-12-2012 07:20 PM)ATLBound Wrote: You missed the WHOLE point of the post. You always overlook the obvious that you can't defend.
The primary reasons why the Saints lost that game to the Rams were Spagnuolo's game plan against the Saints and the very key injury to the Saints right tackle, Charles Brown. Brown tore a hip flexor early in the game but didn't realize it until after the game. LEFT DEFENSIVE END Chris Long and friends had SIX sacks between them because Brown could not move laterally. He was placed on IR immediately following the game. That was not on Carmichael's offensive play calling.
The Tampa loss was the game that Payton actually got injured. Carmichael only called plays in the second half and was thrown into that blindly. So, NO, those two games are by no means indicative of what the Saints and Carmichael will be bringing to the table, as much as you may wish.
Get over the 1-2 crapolla in that stretch. It's all meaningless spin. Oh, and the 62 that the Carmichael led Saints laid on the Colts was 31 more than your Falcons could handle with your head coach on the sideline two weeks later.
RE: WhoDats on Saintsreport going ape shit - RFlagg - 06-12-2012 07:53 PM
(06-12-2012 07:20 PM)ATLBound Wrote: You missed the WHOLE point of the post. You always overlook the obvious that you can't defend.
Woah, woah woah, time out. You're actually surprised Guido is overlooking the obvious? Here, let me give you a representation of Guido's arguments so far on this board.
RE: WhoDats on Saintsreport going ape shit - AsylumGuido - 06-12-2012 08:02 PM
(06-12-2012 07:53 PM)RFlagg Wrote: Woah, woah woah, time out. You're actually surprised Guido is overlooking the obvious? Here, let me give you a representation of Guido's arguments so far on this board.
If you read what I just posted you would realize that ATL has overlooked the obvious, Flagg. The Saints were down by ten at halftime when Carmichael took over the play calling. The Saints outscored the Bucs in that second half.
RE: WhoDats on Saintsreport going ape shit - ATLBound - 06-12-2012 08:03 PM
(06-12-2012 07:47 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: The primary reason why the Saints lost that game to the Rams was Spagnuolo's game plan against the Saints and the very key injury to the Saints right tackle, Charles Brown. Brown tore a hip flexor early in the game but didn't realize it until after the game. LEFT DEFENSIVE END Chris Long and friends had SIX sacks between them because Brown could not move laterally. He was placed on IR immediately following the game. That was not on Carmichael's offensive play calling.
Who brags about putting 62 points on the 2011 Colts? Once you get to 30 and your defense knows your offense sucks, then it's pretty much giving up at that point. We all understand the Saints had the #1 offense last year and one of the best ever.
I'm not comparing our offenses against eachother so stop your crapolla of trying to deter the subject to a battle between the Saints and the Falcons. The key thing here is that you are so delusional that you don't think the loss of Payton being on the sideline won't have a huge impact on your team.
What you basically just gave me were excuses...those same instances where surprises happen in regards to the Bucs game will happen this year without Payton being available. Thos same instances where people will get injured will happen this year and he will have to adjust WITHOUT Payton on the sideline.
I'm going to show you how you constantly contradict yourself. You have CONSTANTLY advised that the loss of Payton won't be a big deal because Carmichael, Brees, and Payton always go thru the gameplan together. You basically claim that Carmichael is an extension of Payton and he won't have ANY problems. Well guess what the BIGGEST THING that Carmichael will miss from Payton is a safety net. A safety net in those times where adjustments need to be made and he struggles with it.
But guess what....adjustments was the main reason for your excuse of the team losing. He was unprepared for the injury, he was unprepared for taking over playcalling duties and Payton recognized this by coming down to the sideline even when he was still on crutches.
But of course I'm welcomed to more inside info that says otherwise.