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RE: Tampa Bay Bucaneers - monoxide - 05-21-2012 11:23 AM
If we don't win the division, Tampa Bay will. Mark my words, they will have a better record than the Saints. Adding Vincent Jackson should make Freeman relevant again, and I'm a fan of the other two young receivers Williams and Benn. Carl Nicks is one of the best overall football players in the NFL, and him/Davin Joseph should make an even scarier guard duo than Evans and Grubbs (Donald Penn is also a perennial pro bowl lineman). That mean offensive line won't only protect Freeman, but the 1-2 punch of Blount and Doug Martin has the potential to be scary. Defensively, Gerald McCoy should be back to health, I like the Eric Wright signing, Mark Barron was a palpable top 8 pick, and 2nd rounder Lavonte David helps out the sub-par linebacker corps.
All in all, Atlanta wins 11, Tampa Bay wins 10, and New Orleans finishes at around 500. This is my optimistic prediction, and I'm still not huge on Carolina taking the next step just yet.
RE: Tampa Bay Bucaneers - Radical - 05-21-2012 11:26 AM
Donald Penn is grossly over rated.
RE: Tampa Bay Bucaneers - monoxide - 05-21-2012 07:09 PM
(05-21-2012 11:26 AM)Radical Wrote: Donald Penn is grossly over rated.Overrated in what sense? I haven't read too many "Donald Penn for HOF" threads lately, and the Donald Penn hoopla on ESPN and NFL Network seems to be nonexistent. It's very hard for a stellar blindside tackle not even in his 30's to be overrated unless your last name rhymes with "Bore".
RE: Tampa Bay Bucaneers - Radical - 05-21-2012 10:09 PM
(05-21-2012 07:09 PM)monoxide Wrote: It's very hard for a stellar blindside tackle not even in his 30's
He's not though. PFF had him at 51 QB disruptions given up. He had no business being ranked in the Top 100 or going to the Pro Bowl last year.
RE: Tampa Bay Bucaneers - monoxide - 05-22-2012 12:30 AM
(05-21-2012 10:09 PM)Radical Wrote: He's not though. PFF had him at 51 QB disruptions given up. He had no business being ranked in the Top 100 or going to the Pro Bowl last year.He was beyond stellar last year until the last few games of the season, I think with Nicks he will only progress. Not to mention, I'd prefer the last shit I took over PFF's subjective nonsense. Not trying to poison the well, just thought I'd throw that in there.
RE: Tampa Bay Bucaneers - Radical - 05-22-2012 09:36 AM
(05-22-2012 12:30 AM)monoxide Wrote: Not to mention, I'd prefer the last shit I took over PFF's subjective nonsense.
So fan and player voting over a team that's been endorsed by actual NFL FO members and players as almost spot on correct?
RE: Tampa Bay Bucaneers - monoxide - 05-22-2012 12:25 PM
(05-22-2012 09:36 AM)Radical Wrote: So fan and player voting over a team that's been endorsed by actual NFL FO members and players as almost spot on correct?Their grading system is horrendous and the list isn't good because it's based on that. I wish PFF would get some legitimate football minds. They're good statisticians but they don't understand schemes, player roles and responsibility well enough. Those countable stats are objective and based on a fixed result. "Great block" and "qb pressure" are subjective and inconsistent. What counts as a "QB Pressure" making the QB step up in the pocket? actually touching the QB? Who's counting these stats? Just one person for every play or are there several people each with different interpretations counting these stats?
RE: Tampa Bay Bucaneers - Beef - 05-22-2012 12:49 PM
(05-22-2012 12:25 PM)monoxide Wrote: Their grading system is horrendous and the list isn't good because it's based on that. I wish PFF would get some legitimate football minds. They're good statisticians but they don't understand schemes, player roles and responsibility well enough. Those countable stats are objective and based on a fixed result. "Great block" and "qb pressure" are subjective and inconsistent. What counts as a "QB Pressure" making the QB step up in the pocket? actually touching the QB? Who's counting these stats? Just one person for every play or are there several people each with different interpretations counting these stats?
It's not "subjective" when everyone agrees with it.
If they deem something a QB pressure because of X, Y, and Z parameters, and everyone who does this for a living agrees that quantifies and qualifies as a QB pressure, then it's not subjective.
All 32 teams in the NFL have subscriptions to PFF and use their stats. The guys who work there have consulted with teams and agreed on how to quantify their stats.
This isn't some group of kids watching TV's in their basement making shit up. They've become legit and a huge resource for not only NFL teams, but for Vegas.
You don't know WTF you're talking about.
RE: Tampa Bay Bucaneers - monoxide - 05-22-2012 12:59 PM
(05-22-2012 12:49 PM)Beef Wrote: You don't know WTF you're talking about.What a palpable way to prove you're point! The sheer statement that I don't know what I'm talking about in itself must prove that I don't know what I'm talking about! In the same way that if I said you have PFF's cock all the way down your esophagus and you get a sandy pussy if somebody objects to their imperfection, it must be so. Sorry there sunny, I still think they blow for quarters. They're the only site I know that awards "degree of difficulty" points. If a QB completes a pass into double coverage, he gets a better grade than if he throws it to the open player for the same number of yards. If a receiver makes a diving, one-handed catch, then he gets more points than if he catches it in stride with two hands. A complete fucking gimmick IMO.
RE: Tampa Bay Bucaneers - Beef - 05-22-2012 01:21 PM
(05-22-2012 12:59 PM)monoxide Wrote: What a palpable way to prove you're point! The sheer statement that I don't know what I'm talking about in itself must prove that I don't know what I'm talking about! In the same way that if I said you have PFF's cock all the way down your esophagus and you get a sandy pussy if somebody objects to their imperfection, it must be so. Sorry there sunny, I still think they blow for quarters. They're the only site I know that awards "degree of difficulty" points. If a QB completes a pass into double coverage, he gets a better grade than if he throws it to the open player for the same number of yards. If a receiver makes a diving, one-handed catch, then he gets more points than if he catches it in stride with two hands. A complete fucking gimmick IMO.
So the 3 multi-billion dollar industries also known as NFL teams, Fantasy Football, and the world of gambling/betting, who all use PFF and claim it to be the best and most accurate statistical site in football have no significance in your bizzarro world of armchair GM's?
Whatever guy. You're not being very smart about this.