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RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 08-29-2012 02:59 PM
(08-29-2012 12:58 PM)papachaz Wrote: isn't the court date tomorrow? was thinking I read August 30th somewhere
The appeal of Goodell's jurisdiction via the CBA with Burbank is due to be determined tomorrow. After that, if Burbank doesn't rule in favor of the players it goes back to District Court and Judge Ginger Berrigan, who has already stated that she would really like to rule in Vilma's favor but wants to wait on the August 30th ruling.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 08-29-2012 03:01 PM
(08-29-2012 01:18 PM)phocis850 Wrote: me thinks papa is obsessed with Guido
Interesting theory. Quite plausible.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 08-29-2012 03:05 PM
(08-29-2012 02:30 PM)Peyton Wrote: I'm not sure it is going to go that way. Is going to be fascinating to watch.
I have the same feeling, Peyton. The NFLPA and Vilma are bringing all the guns on this. As I said, Judge Berrigan has already stated that she felt Goodell's investigation and punishment were both unfair and excessive for what has been presented.
In this country people do have personal rights that go beyond what work contracts may cover.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - papachaz - 08-29-2012 03:26 PM
(08-29-2012 03:01 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: Interesting theory. Quite plausible.
you just keep on dreaming quido, after all, you've proven throughout this whole thread you live in a fantasy world.
it's no big surprise to me that a saints fan judge would say she wants to rule in favor of her local hero criminal. I have a feeling that if Goodell is forced to show all he knows, it is going to be really really ugly for a lot more people than the ones that have been affected so far. I am NOT a fan of this commish by any means, but I just can't see him doing all this if he didn't feel it within his power and right, esp after having an independent analysis done.
and here your city is under seige with water and being damaged horribly again, and you sit trolling a rival football teams message board. shouldn't you be out trying to help someone? certainly makes me question your right to question anyone elses humanitarianism
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 08-29-2012 04:05 PM
(08-29-2012 03:26 PM)papachaz Wrote: you just keep on dreaming quido, after all, you've proven throughout this whole thread you live in a fantasy world.
it's no big surprise to me that a saints fan judge would say she wants to rule in favor of her local hero criminal. I have a feeling that if Goodell is forced to show all he knows, it is going to be really really ugly for a lot more people than the ones that have been affected so far. I am NOT a fan of this commish by any means, but I just can't see him doing all this if he didn't feel it within his power and right, esp after having an independent analysis done.
and here your city is under seige with water and being damaged horribly again, and you sit trolling a rival football teams message board. shouldn't you be out trying to help someone? certainly makes me question your right to question anyone elses humanitarianism
Given that I live in the northwestern corner of the state there is little I can do to help those in need right now. Fortunately, and contrary to your inference, the city of New Orleans is well protected now that the Army Corps has brought the levees up to standard and beyond. The troubles are in areas outside of the city that have yet to bring their levees up to standard.
But, to be honest, freshwater flooding is a danger anywhere along a major river system anywhere in the country as demonstrated by the floods that inundated the Midwest the past couple of years.
As for Goodell, I have a feeling he has already showed everything he has and that is why he has offered Vilma the reduction in the suspension that Vilma declined. Goodell's lawyers are doing everything they can to keep him from having to testify because they know it will look very bad for him.
Common sense time now, papa, if Goodell had anything at all that was solid he would have introduced it by now. To date, it has all been innuendo supported by possibilities and what-could-have-beens.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - phocis850 - 08-29-2012 04:14 PM
Goodell wasting his time on a few players would be a ridiculous conclusion.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 08-29-2012 04:31 PM
(08-29-2012 04:14 PM)phocis850 Wrote: Goodell wasting his time on a few players would be a ridiculous conclusion.
He wasn't wasting on a few players. He was using it on over 3000 players that have filed suits against the NFL over the league's disregard for the safety of players. Goodell grasped upon the claims of a disgruntled ex-coach named Mike Cerullo back in 2010 claiming bounties on Favre and Warner. After investigation the charges were not able to be substantiated and the investigation was dropped. Goodell went to Saints GM Loomis and told him if there were bounties going on they must be stopped.
Well, if bounties weren't going on there wasn't much to do, huh?
Then, in January 2012 the shit hit the fan with those lawsuits against the league. Great time to reopen the case against the Saints.
Note that it is documented that there were absolutely no investigations at all against the Saints between February 2010 and January 2012.
This is not about four player or three coaches or one GM or the Saints.
This is about over 3000 former players and BILLIONS of dollars in liability. You can't tell me that Goodell and his flunkies are beyond throwing a few innocent players under the bus to "PROTECT THE SHIELD".
Yes, something ugly IS likely to appear if Goodell is forced to answer questions under oath. But not what you are expecting.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - phocis850 - 08-29-2012 04:40 PM
I'm sorry, but what exactly would he be protecting exactly?
I just don't see a multi-millionaire doing something like this unless the proof was 100% solid.
This isn't just Goodell, this is him confirming with the law team if its something can legitimately be pursued.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - Peyton - 08-29-2012 04:45 PM
(08-29-2012 04:40 PM)phocis850 Wrote: I'm sorry, but what exactly would he be protecting exactly?
I'll tell you the mistake I think Goodell made. Placing way too much credibility on Mike Cerullo, a disgruntled Saints employee.
I don't think Goodell really wants to have Cerullo cross examined.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - mdrake34 - 08-29-2012 05:33 PM
Almost to 100 . . .