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RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 05-17-2012 05:16 PM
(05-17-2012 05:11 PM)pauliwood Wrote: lol@ using a skip bayles quote to push an agenda.
I thought I would lighten things up a bit. Oh, and I thought everyone has an agenda according to the site rules.
"5. Drop the "agenda" comments. Everyone here has an agenda. It's called an opinion. We all want to prove ours right. That is all of our agendas when we have debates on this site."
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - ATLBound - 05-17-2012 05:43 PM
(05-17-2012 03:58 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: Vilma sues Goodell for defamationi guess this part of the article wasnt read. I don't recall Goodell defamation of Vilma. He said that he has evidence of Vilma's involvement and part of that evidence is offering to pay 10k. whether it was in jest or for some other reason, then it was still offered. this is something vilma has not denied. you see that he keeps using the same exact phrase. he used it in the statement, on twitter, and on this lawsuit. he is choosing his words carefully for a reason. i can see this clearly.
Posted by Mike Florio on May 17, 2012, 3:33 PM
Curiously, Vilma never says that he never “offered” to pay $10,000 as an incentive to knock Brett Favre or Kurt Warner or anyone else out of any games. The use of the phrase “never paid, or intended to pay” copies the content of Vilma’s May 2 statement, which seemed to dance around the possibility that Vilma, perhaps in the heat of the moment, made a hollow offer to pay the money as part of an exercise in standard pregame hyperbole.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - Beef - 05-17-2012 06:13 PM
LOL. Its obvious Vilma did make the offer, otherwise his choice of words would include that. He got punished for making the offer. Whether he paid or would not have paid is irrelevant. Farve didn't get taken out so we'll never know if he would have paid or not.
He made the offer. He has no case.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - pauliwood - 05-17-2012 06:24 PM
(05-17-2012 05:16 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: I thought I would lighten things up a bit. Oh, and I thought everyone has an agenda according to the site rules.
"5. Drop the "agenda" comments. Everyone here has an agenda. It's called an opinion. We all want to prove ours right. That is all of our agendas when we have debates on this site."
Wasn't it you that just yesterday was arguing FOR FREE SPEECH, and now you want to censor me??????
AGENDA
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 05-17-2012 06:35 PM
(05-17-2012 05:43 PM)ATLBound Wrote: i guess this part of the article wasnt read. I don't recall Goodell defamation of Vilma. He said that he has evidence of Vilma's involvement and part of that evidence is offering to pay 10k. whether it was in jest or for some other reason, then it was still offered. this is something vilma has not denied. you see that he keeps using the same exact phrase. he used it in the statement, on twitter, and on this lawsuit. he is choosing his words carefully for a reason. i can see this clearly.
Have you read the 16 page suit? Just wait until all of this comes out in court. Apparantely he was accused and punished for things he did not do. They are all spelled out in detail in the filing.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 05-17-2012 06:36 PM
(05-17-2012 06:24 PM)pauliwood Wrote: Wasn't it you that just yesterday was arguing FOR FREE SPEECH, and now you want to censor me??????
AGENDA
No, just a friendly reminder of the site rules which I, for one, respect and always follow.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 05-17-2012 06:43 PM
(05-17-2012 06:13 PM)Beef Wrote: LOL. Its obvious Vilma did make the offer, otherwise his choice of words would include that. He got punished for making the offer. Whether he paid or would not have paid is irrelevant. Farve didn't get taken out so we'll never know if he would have paid or not.
He made the offer. He has no case.
Just wait. He has a case or would not have filed like this. He was accused by Goodell of putting a bounty on Warner too, and of actively trying to injure players himself for payment, among other accusations.
Read the formal suit filing that I posted. If you can't find it I will post it again.
Things are going to be real dicey for Roger. You note that this suit is not NFLPA v. NFL. It is Vilma v. Goodell. The NFL may be inclined to stay hands off to be assured that they do not become liable themselves.
Also, as a lawsuit between individuals it cannot fall under CBA protection.
Very slick move by Peter Ginsberg.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 05-17-2012 07:09 PM
New Orleans Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma's lawsuit will try to make league play defense for a change
New Orleans Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma is trying to force the NFL to play defense for a change. His defamation lawsuit against NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on Thursday was the strongest response yet from anyone in the Saints organization to the league's bounty allegations.
Vilma is seeking both compensatory and punitive damages to account for the harm done to his personal and professional reputation. Just as significantly, he is trying to force the NFL to reveal the evidence which it has kept secret up to this point in front of an impartial judge.
Obviously we'll have to wait for some legal back-and-forth before it ever gets to that point. The NFL will likely try to have the lawsuit dismissed. But clearly Vilma and attorney Peter Ginsberg are prepared to explore every avenue at their disposal as they challenge the notion that Goodell is the only judge, jury and executioner in this case.
Hopefully Vilma will get his day in court. Or at the very least, hopefully this move will add to the mounting pressure against the NFL and force the league to reveal its evidence to either the players or the public.
Although it's understandable that the league wants to protect its confidential sources, the NFL needs to leave no doubt about why it has handed out the most severe penalties in league history over these bounty allegations - especially against an individual player who was singled out like Vilma.
Although sources have confirmed that there is at least some truth to the NFL's allegation that Vilma offered a $10,000 reward for knocking Minnesota Vikings quarterback Brett Favre out of the 2010 NFC championship game, it has been described as more of a prop than a serious offer. Vilma reiterated in his lawsuit that he never "paid, or intended to pay" any kind of money to knock out Favre or any other players.
It's also likely that the Saints' pay-for-performance program included some form of payouts for "big hits" or "cart-offs" or "knockouts," based on the NFL's statements and various accounts from sources on and off the record. But Vilma again denied those allegations in his lawsuit. And the Saints have repeatedly denied that there was ever any specific intent to harm players on the field.
The NFL, meanwhile, has not offered any form of evidence that proves such intent. The NFL has not revealed how much money actually exchanged hands as a result of cart-off or knockout hits. And the NFL didn't punish a single player for any illegal hits that occurred on the field.
The NFL has painted the Saints -- and Vilma especially -- as the worst offenders in sports history, charging them with putting opponents in harm's way. However, there is little evidence on the field that backs those claims, other than a couple of personal foul penalties against Favre in that NFC championship game. There is no evidence of the Saints trying to injure players with illegal hits - and certainly nothing egregious like stomping players after the whistle.
All of the NFL's claims and punishments against the Saints are for off-the-field infractions. And if they're as severe as the league claims, then we shouldn't be left wondering about or guessing about them.
And Vilma, for one, certainly isn't going to just take the NFL's word for it.
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As the poo poo slowly approaches the fan.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - Beef - 05-17-2012 07:50 PM
(05-17-2012 06:43 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: Just wait. He has a case or would not have filed like this. He was accused by Goodell of putting a bounty on Warner too, and of actively trying to injure players himself for payment, among other accusations.
Read the formal suit filing that I posted. If you can't find it I will post it again.
Things are going to be real dicey for Roger. You note that this suit is not NFLPA v. NFL. It is Vilma v. Goodell. The NFL may be inclined to stay hands off to be assured that they do not become liable themselves.
Also, as a lawsuit between individuals it cannot fall under CBA protection.
Very slick move by Peter Ginsberg.
Dude, you just got done telling us that Brees was not unhappy and then an instant later he is on the radio (oh shit, the radio???) saying he is extremely frustrated and not happy.
You talk out your ass more than anyone in the history of this forum. You don't know shit about shit, as I've said a million times. So when you make statements that start off with "Just wait..." all I can do is laugh in anticipation of your ultimate disappointment.
You really should prepare yourself for it if you have any sense at all of self-preservation. You're already batshit crazy and I really don't think you could afford to go any further.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - TeamPlayer1 - 05-17-2012 08:25 PM
Everyone should bear in mind that the NFL legal team is funded by 32 billionaires, including Benson, who have a very extensive legal investigative team and the laser is on the Saints. Vilma may get more time suspended and if Payton makes one phone call or communication with any member of the NFL he could face an extended ban.
Facing a legal team back by 32 billionaires is a hard road. This will be interesting how this turns out.