(12-13-2012 06:14 PM)ATLBound Wrote:  For a person so caught up in the word "bounty" and thr meaning behind, you sure did miss this one.

Vitt just denied a bounty program, referencing a quote he stated back in March, but Williams was advising that Vitt wanted to keep the performance pool going after they were told to stop, not the bounty.

To be specific and fair, the article u posted back on page 180 or 181 used the term "pay for pain" although it didnt have quotes around it. So I'm unsure of the term that Williams used.

(12-13-2012 06:08 PM)ATLBound Wrote:  Who wrote this? And whomever he is is extremely pissed. We all know this thing was about lawsuits towards the league, so yes this was about player safety. It wasn't about Goodell being omnipotent or on some random power trip. Whomever the author is lost all credibility by saying that.

(12-13-2012 06:35 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  You know I wrote that and I am very pissed because it is apparent what happened. We can all agree this whole thing could have been handled in a much better manner. Goodell made a mess of the whole thing. He created the monster that became known as The Bounty Scandal. Yes, it was in part to use as fodder against the concussion lawsuits, but the punishments were all driven by his delicate ego. I am not alone in this thinking either. The same view has appeared in several articles recently, most of which are posted in this thread.

(12-13-2012 06:46 PM)ATLBound Wrote:  No offense. I do think he has an ego but this whole ordeal didn't have anything to do with a power trip. Anybody who thinks that is just upset about the situation.

(12-13-2012 06:56 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  I believe the punishment had everything to do with his ego. Even Tagliabue made reference in his statement that being lied to was part of the job. That was in reference to the eight game suspension originally given to Hargrove, and I would not doubt if it also didn't refer to the Payton suspension, as well. The totally over the top punishments were a message that you don't screw with HIM. He said that Payton's suspension was for lying to HIM.

I have no doubt it became a power trip and I also believe that Tags felt the same, yet was a bit more diplomatic when pointing it out in his statement.

(12-13-2012 07:14 PM)ATLBound Wrote:  Understand his position though. He is the authoritative figure to them. If you lie or withhold information from a your supervisor or even a cop, then more consequences apply if the truth was told or if the authority was listened to in the first place.

(12-13-2012 07:23 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  While this is true, first, Hargrove never lied to him, second, the punishments laid down were unprecedented and were ultimately overturned (except for the staff and team) because they were excessive. They were obviously ego driven. Every commisioner had been lied to. Tagliabue mentioned that. But only Goodell reacted to that extreme when he "believed" he had been lied to. As I said, it didn't have to do with the "shield", it had to do with "HIM".

(12-13-2012 07:36 PM)ATLBound Wrote:  I did say withhold info in regards to Hargrove, but Agree to disagree.

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