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RE: Saints Bounty Thread - ATLBound - 10-27-2012 04:04 PM
(10-27-2012 03:11 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: Once again, Peyton, I think you have taken the words right out of my mouth. Although, I would like to add that the accusations have been a continually moving target as this has progressed. Yes, when the punishment were reassessed a broader and less constricted reason for the penalties was given, but even if the new accusations could be proven did they warrant the punishments. It was as if he wanted to penalize then regardless of what did or did not happen.
Im still in the boat that says the punishments were tpo severe.
I merely just pointed out the statements for a couple of reasons.
1. So you could stop using that excuse of specific players targeted for intent injure. It was annoying. No offense.
2. To show that this isn't one-sided. Both sides have made mistakes in the process. Which leads me to believe that there was something there but possibly not as severe as it initially seemed.
3. I had to be one-sided in my responses because you were so one-sided.
4. I do think there was a 10k pledge.
5. I'm not so sure if it was serious or not. Thats in the air right now.
6. Cerullo or Gregg...one of them lied, but they didn't lie about the most important piece and thats the 10k pledge from Vilma. We can't ASSUME Goodell lied about them not knowing about eachother's interviews.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 10-27-2012 04:19 PM
Looks like the weather wants to drag this out, too.
Paul Tagliabue adjourns New Orleans Saints bounty appeal hearings that were set for Oct. 30
Former NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue has adjourned the Oct. 30 appeal hearings in the New Orleans Saints bounty case, according to sources familiar with the situation. No new date has been set yet.
No reason was given, but with Hurricane Sandy bearing down on the East Coast it would have been difficult for everyone involved to attend the hearings. The hearings would have been Washington D.C., where Tagliabue resides.
This could open up the possibility for Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma (suspended for the rest of the season) and defensive end Will Smith (four games) to play against the Philadelphia Eagles on Nov. 5 at the Mercedes-Benz Superdome.
The legal teams for Vilma, Smith, Browns linebacker Scott Fujita (one game) and free agent defensive lineman Anthony Hargrove (seven games) have until noon on Monday to reply to Judge Helen Berrigan in U.S. District Court to the NFL's opposition of the players' motion to recuse Tagliabue from the appeals process. Current Commissioner Roger Goodell has already recused himself from the hearings.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 10-27-2012 04:24 PM
(10-27-2012 04:04 PM)ATLBound Wrote: Im still in the boat that says the punishments were tpo severe.
I merely just pointed out the statements for a couple of reasons.
1. So you could stop using that excuse of specific players targeted for intent injure. It was annoying. No offense.
2. To show that this isn't one-sided. Both sides have made mistakes in the process. Which leads me to believe that there was something there but possibly not as severe as it initially seemed.
3. I had to be one-sided in my responses because you were so one-sided.
4. I do think there was a 10k pledge.
5. I'm not so sure if it was serious or not. Thats in the air right now.
6. Cerullo or Gregg...one of them lied, but they didn't lie about the most important piece and thats the 10k pledge from Vilma. We can't ASSUME Goodell lied about them not knowing about eachother's interviews.
Can we assume Goodell lying about Jimmy Kennedy? Or perhaps he simply went off the word of some overenthusiastic flunky. I'm not saying this was all Goodell's fault or plan, but the whole thing has been shoddy at best and when you are dealing with people's livelihoods and reputations you had better get it right. But, I am afraid they have gotten many, many things very wrong.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - ATLBound - 10-27-2012 04:30 PM
In one of the statements I posted he said A PLAYER from the Minnesota Vikings. Didn't name any names.
I guess the player could have been wrong, just like they got wrong who said "Give me my money." Idk what is going on with that situation. Not really adept on what went on there.
I think Goodell understands there have been some things done wrong but I also think he ultimately knows there was some wrongdoing done as well, specifically in regards to Vilma. Thats why he isnt backing off.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 10-27-2012 04:43 PM
(10-27-2012 04:30 PM)ATLBound Wrote: In one of the statements I posted he said A PLAYER from the Minnesota Vikings. Didn't name any names.
I guess the player could have been wrong, just like they got wrong who said "Give me my money." Idk what is going on with that situation. Not really adept on what went on there.
I think Goodell understands there have been some things done wrong but I also think he ultimately knows there was some wrongdoing done as well, specifically in regards to Vilma. Thats why he isnt backing off.
Goodell originally stated a Viking's player, but in his reissue he specifically named Kennedy and stated a number of thing as fact that Kennedy vehemently denied in a signed statement.
Maybe someone should look at coach Childress who was the one that took it all to Goodell. He was the one that said it came from Hargrove through Kennedy.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - ATLBound - 10-27-2012 04:55 PM
(10-27-2012 04:43 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: Goodell originally stated a Viking's player, but in his reissue he specifically named Kennedy and stated a number of thing as fact that Kennedy vehemently denied in a signed statement.
Maybe someone should look at coach Childress who was the one that took it all to Goodell. He was the one that said it came from Hargrove through Kennedy.
"In addition, as you know, in early 2010 a Vikings player informed Coach Childress that a Saints player had told him that a bounty had been placed on Mr. Favre. There is also video evidence that a Saints player said; ‘Give me my money' immediately after Coach Vitt told the defensive unit (incorrectly) that Mr. Favre's leg had been broken and that he would not be returning to the game.
^^^^This was part of his statement reissued to Vilma back in early October (a few weeks ago). What statement were you referring to where he called out Kennedy? I know Kennedy called him a liar, but idk why.
And yes Childress told him something so why isn't Kennedy calling Childress out or anybody for that matter.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 10-27-2012 05:51 PM
(10-27-2012 04:55 PM)ATLBound Wrote: "In addition, as you know, in early 2010 a Vikings player informed Coach Childress that a Saints player had told him that a bounty had been placed on Mr. Favre. There is also video evidence that a Saints player said; ‘Give me my money' immediately after Coach Vitt told the defensive unit (incorrectly) that Mr. Favre's leg had been broken and that he would not be returning to the game.
^^^^This was part of his statement reissued to Vilma back in early October (a few weeks ago). What statement were you referring to where he called out Kennedy? I know Kennedy called him a liar, but idk why.
And yes Childress told him something so why isn't Kennedy calling Childress out or anybody for that matter.
Kennedy was identified by Goodell in a memo sent to all 32 teams. Here is the statement that I posted earlier in the thread.
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The Commissioner of the NFL recently distributed a memo to all 32 NFL teams regarding the alleged Saints bounty program that contained blatant lies about me, thereby adding me to the list of men whose reputations and character have been irreparably damaged by the shoddy, careless, shameful so-called investigation behind this sham proceeding. Roger Goodell identifies me as the whistleblower who approached former Viking coach Brad Childress about an alleged bounty on Brett Favre in the NFC Championship game.
That is a lie. I had no knowledge about any alleged bounty to reveal to anyone, and I never informed anyone that I did. Contrary to the false information disseminated by the NFL, Coach Childress approached me and asked me if I knew anything about such an allegation, and I told him the truth: I did not. I had no knowledge of any such alleged bounty.
Roger Goodell also states that I was interviewed by the NFL about the alleged bounty. That is another lie; I was never interviewed by the NFL, unless the NFL considers two 30-second conversations when I told NFL Security that I had no knowledge of any such allegations interviews. I certainly do not.
After the second phone call that I received from NFL, in which I once again told the person that I had absolutely no knowledge of any alleged bounty, I called my agent, who then retained an attorney for me. We informed the NFL Security person that further contact with me should occur through my attorney, and interestingly, we never heard from the NFL again.
The third lie that Roger Goodell told about me is perhaps the most upsetting because it involves a man for whom I have great respect and affection, Anthony Hargrove. The NFL states that Anthony Hargrove told me about the alleged bounty on Brett Favre. That is an utter lie; it simply never happened. I never discussed an alleged bounty with Anthony Hargrove before, during or after the NFC Championship game. The only discussion I have had with Anthony about the alleged bounty occurred when we recently spoke about the NFLs egregiously flawed and unjust investigation and proceeding.
I am not one of the players who has been officially disciplined by the NFL as part of this sham, but I now know that I too have been damaged by the NFL’s complete disregard for truth and integrity.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - ATLBound - 10-27-2012 06:33 PM
Ohhhh ok. I remember reading that now. That one is definitely a fishy one. Can't defend that one. Does anybody have access to the memo that was sent out?
I will try to look for it.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - Drathdon - 10-27-2012 10:53 PM
Just stepping back a second, you had some Aint yelling "give me my money" when they thought Farve broke his leg. You know, regardless of any of the rest of this, and any spin you want to put on it, fuck a team and culture that encourages that type of locker room. I'm not losing sight of that in all of this.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - pauliwood - 10-28-2012 01:19 AM
oh, good, this is still going on.