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RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 10-22-2012 10:42 PM
(10-22-2012 10:26 PM)Aftermath Wrote: why would he risk perjury in saying that Vilma put that bounty on Favre?
So Vilma never took $10,000 out of the bank? that's his defense? I haven't taken $40 out of my bank in recent months yet I have $40 in my wallet. Its not unfathomable that he managed to save up $10,000 in cash without ever withdrawing it from the bank. Incredibly weak argument IMO.
Gregg Williams said Vilma put a $10,000 bounty on Favre but he never saw the cash, is that really supposed to be proof that the bounty was never placed?
Vilma's lawyer presented evidence showing that since Vilma has been in New Orleans he has never withdrawn any money from his account that only has ATM access and a $500 limit that would add up to that amount. Also, all of his pay was electronically deposited in his account. So, there was no way possible he could have had access to any where near that amount.
Now, Williams signed a statement that said Vilma put a bounty on Favre, but remember that Cerullo, the proven liar, signed a statement that said that "two stacks of fives" was put on Warner and it was that cash that Cerullo gave to Williams. Who are you going to believe? Either Cerullo or Williams are lying. Or Cerullo is lying and Williams just signed what was placed in front of him to hope to get reinstated.
You don't have to prove that a bounty was never placed. You have to prove that a bounty was actually placed. And this whole thing isn't even about some single supposed bounty.
The whole claim was that the Saints had an ongoing three year program that targeted opposing players for intentional injury.
Can you still buy that bullcrap? Neither can I.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - Beef - 10-22-2012 10:43 PM
(10-22-2012 10:17 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: My Gawd! All of that has already been discredited and none of it is part of what is still considered "evidence". I knew you were totally out of touch. I would suggest you crawl back into your hole and let those that actually keep up with things continue the discussion.
Bullshit. It has not been discredited. You're the only one who has ever claimed this shit isn't legit and you've never shown evidence to prove it.
The stuff collected off of Saints computers was after Cerullo and Williams were already gone.
I'm sure you're going to try to add Adam Schefter and Peter King to your conspiracy theory now.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - Peyton - 10-22-2012 10:45 PM
(10-22-2012 10:26 PM)Aftermath Wrote: Gregg Williams said Vilma put a $10,000 bounty on Favre but he never saw the cash, is that really supposed to be proof that the bounty was never placed?
The fact that Cerullo says that he gave the money to Gregg Williams and Greg Williams says he doesn't know anything about the money brings both stories into question.
So yeah...I mean..that is a big hole in the NFL's evidence.
The NFL butchered this whole deal real bad, but I think it's going to be resolved soon.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - Radical - 10-22-2012 10:52 PM
(10-22-2012 09:45 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: And exactly where is that documented that any targeted player was "carted off" because of intentional injury as was claimed by Goodell back in April? Well?
There isn't any because it never happened.
There was never a program that paid for cart-offs?
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 10-22-2012 10:57 PM
(10-22-2012 10:43 PM)Beef Wrote: Bullshit. It has not been discredited. You're the only one who has ever claimed this shit isn't legit and you've never shown evidence to prove it.
The stuff collected off of Saints computers was after Cerullo and Williams were already gone.
I'm sure you're going to try to add Adam Schefter and Peter King to your conspiracy theory now.
The only "evidence" collected off the Saints computers were some nebulous power points documenting the admitted pay for performance and two joking emails that have since been discredited as being relevant. All of the other "evidence" was produced in handwritten form by Cerullo himself. And don't forget he was fired for his lying following the 2009 season and yet, those handwritten papers didn't appear until after the 2011-2012 season was over.
If they were authentic why did he wait over two years to present them?
And why do they not match 2009 games when he was with the team?
And why did he say he was going to get even with Vitt for having him black-balled from the league?
And why has Goodell and the NFL been so afraid to let him be cross-examined?
And while we are on this track, why did Goodell lie about Jimmy Kennedy being a whisteblower?
Tell me why.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - Beef - 10-22-2012 10:59 PM
(10-22-2012 10:05 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: I keep trying to respect your intelligence but you make it difficult. The apology was for running a performance program that was against the rules. And I don't get where your hunting comes from. You sir, are the one that doesn't have a clue. I would say it is amazing how shallow your depth of understand was, but it is quite obvious based upon your limited use of proper English.
And, yes, I have a perfect idea of the definition of insanity.
Your instability in dealing with people has certain characteristics being exhibited. Your constant use of profanity exhibits your insecurity. You understand that you are wrong and your defense mechanism is to verbally attempt to attack. But, every time you do you lower yourself just that much more.
I have suggested you avoid this thread because it just continues to have you embarrass yourself. If you continue to visit and interact I would assume it is because you actually enjoy the exchanges.
Hey dumbass, learn to read.
Quote:@AdamSchefter
NFL showed slides from Saints computers on 1/7/11,saying: "Now's the time to do our jobs, collect bounty $. No apologies. Let's go hunting."
"No apologies. Let's go hunting."
The only person embarrassing themselves is your idiot ass.
I grew up in a Navy house. My dad served 18 years. Ever heard the term, "Curses like a sailor"? And he has a doctorate in aviation science and is a library of useless trivia information and he curses every other word in a Chicago accent still. He's never failed to get his tone and point across either.
If your pussy is too fragile and can't take the profanity, then fucking leave. Either way, go fuck yourself.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 10-22-2012 11:04 PM
(10-22-2012 10:52 PM)Radical Wrote: There was never a program that paid for cart-offs?
Yes there was. Other programs called them "bell-ringers". Other programs called them "slobber-knockers". But, none of them ever involved targeting opposing players for intentional injury which is what the Saints were accused of doing.
The Titans were just exposed for their DC saying to hit the hard enough to need the "gator cart". It is all rhetoric. Every team has done it. It isn't evil.
The Saints were not originally punished for having hard legal hits that didn't result in penalties that were called "cart-offs". They were punished for supposedly targeting specific players for intentional injury which did not ever happen.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AUTiger7222 - 10-22-2012 11:15 PM
I am so sick of all this Saints bounty crap.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - Beef - 10-22-2012 11:19 PM
(10-22-2012 10:57 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: The only "evidence" collected off the Saints computers were some nebulous power points documenting the admitted pay for performance and two joking emails that have since been discredited as being relevant. All of the other "evidence" was produced in handwritten form by Cerullo himself. And don't forget he was fired for his lying following the 2009 season and yet, those handwritten papers didn't appear until after the 2011-2012 season was over.The line that Adam Schefter quoted is clearly NOT about pay for performance or a "joke". And it was taken off the computers after Cerullo and Williams were gone. So it's not like Cerullo snuck back into the facilities and added it after he was let go.
Quote:If they were authentic why did he wait over two years to present them?You don't know the answer to this question any more than anyone else does. You are trying to ASSUME something here. That does not make it proof. Maybe he really did just hold on to it until it needed to come out at an appropriate time. Maybe he cared for the players and considered some of them friends. Maybe he didn't want to disparage them unless he was at his last resort.
Quote:And why do they not match 2009 games when he was with the team?So you're saying that he's put together this huge lie that concerns a multi-billion dollar organization and the law can prosecute him for slander/libel and yet not only did he forge everything, but he fucked up the dates and times in the process??
Really? Fucking REALLY?
YOU ARE GUESSING HERE TOO.
Quote:And why did he say he was going to get even with Vitt for having him black-balled from the league?Where did you get this from? Show us where he actually said this.
Quote:And why has Goodell and the NFL been so afraid to let him be cross-examined?First of all, you DO NOT KNOW if the NFL and Goodell have prevented anything of the sort. You are making this shit up out of thin air. Nobody has ever heard the NFL or Goodell say "We're afraid of anyone speaking to Cerullo so we're not letting it happen." As if they even have freaking control over who Cerullo chooses to talk to, which they don't. But I'm sure that's more shit you're going to make up about this.
Quote:And while we are on this track, why did Goodell lie about Jimmy Kennedy being a whisteblower?Just because Jimmy Kennedy says Goodell lied doesn't mean he did. You acting like this is an absolute fact now is yet another reason why you have no damn credibility. Because you think you get to choose what is true and false and fact or lies. And you make up your own bullshit in between to fill in the gaps.
You don't know shit. You're a peon with 1/1000th the information that's really needed to know a smidgen of truth and reality in this situation. And you're over the fucking top biased and crazy to boot.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 10-22-2012 11:24 PM
(10-22-2012 10:59 PM)Beef Wrote: Hey dumbass, learn to read.
"No apologies. Let's go hunting."
The only person embarrassing themselves is your idiot ass.
I grew up in a Navy house. My dad served 18 years. Ever heard the term, "Curses like a sailor"? And he has a doctorate in aviation science and is a library of useless trivia information and he curses every other word in a Chicago accent still. He's never failed to get his tone and point across either.
If your pussy is too fragile and can't take the profanity, then fucking leave. Either way, go fuck yourself.
I won't call you a dumbass because you may have some personal excuse, but the slide to which you are referring is the one that was playing off the New Orleans based reality star, Dawg the Bounty Hunter. This was classic Gregg Williams rhetoric. It was one of the top shows on cable at the time. He used it to get his point across. There is no way anyone would take that literally. It was only used that one week. He delivered a different message every week.
Oh, and I grew up in an Air Force house. My father spent over 30 years active duty. He was the very first enlisted man to step foot in Vietnam on a special mission. He was decorated for his service flying missions as a gunner in his first tour and was decorated for his position as the Lead Gunner in the theater in his second tour. He was the senior enlisted man in the entire Air Force when he retired and had two Pentagon Generals attend his retirement ceremony even though two full bird Colonels were retiring in the same ceremony. He served as Senior Enlisted Adviser to Base Commander at his last three bases.
After retiring he spent the next 18 years leading technical support for an international company. He has spent the last two and a half year battling stage four prostate cancer while doing everything he could do to still do what he feels is right.
He did all of this without needing to lower himself though his verbiage. So don't you DARE throw that out to me. You disgust me.