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RE: Saints Bounty Thread - Aftermath - 10-22-2012 08:48 PM
(10-22-2012 08:29 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: No, Gregg Williams signed a declaration, not an affidavit, stating that there was a pay for performance program. They have audio of Gregg Williams well known hyperbole. They have no more emails because the league dropped them from their evidence because they realized it was a joke. The only "paper trail" they have was provided in handwritten form by a low level ex-employee (Mike Cerullo) who was fired for lying on multiple occasions to management and had vowed to get even. The computer files verified that the Saints had a pay for performance program just like most every franchise in the league, not a bounty program.
What do I need? I need nothing else because there is nothing else. Once Mike Cerullo is able to be cross-examined by the defense he will once again be proven to be a liar.
It was a sworn statement, meaning that if he perjured himself he would be looking at jail time. What reason did he have to lie?
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - Beef - 10-22-2012 08:57 PM
(10-22-2012 08:29 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: No, Gregg Williams signed a declaration, not an affidavit, stating that there was a pay for performance program. They have audio of Gregg Williams well known hyperbole. They have no more emails because the league dropped them from their evidence because they realized it was a joke. The only "paper trail" they have was provided in handwritten form by a low level ex-employee (Mike Cerullo) who was fired for lying on multiple occasions to management and had vowed to get even. The computer files verified that the Saints had a pay for performance program just like most every franchise in the league, not a bounty program.
What do I need? I need nothing else because there is nothing else. Once Mike Cerullo is able to be cross-examined by the defense he will once again be proven to be a liar.
Again you are just making shit up on top of making unfounded assumption after unfounded assumption.
"...vowed to get even." LOL.
https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/...4297885696
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NFL just showed reporters evidence in Saints case, incl allegation of $35k bounty, not just $10k, to knock Favre out of '09 NFC title game.
https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/...9946088449
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NFL also showed evidence on ledger that S Roman Harper once was due$1000 for knocking NYG RB Brandon Jacobs from a game
https://twitter.com/realfreemancbs/statu...9359564800
Quote:@realfreemancbs
Gregg Wiliams was clearly the biggest source for NFL but no question league has many other sources.
https://twitter.com/realfreemancbs/statu...7051352064
Quote:@realfreemancbs
Owner Benson was cooperative with the league granting investigators access to Saints computer system.
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...9728969728
Quote:@AdamSchefter
NFL showed slides from Saints computers on 1/7/11,saying: "Now's the time to do our jobs, collect bounty $. No apologies. Let's go hunting."
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - Beef - 10-22-2012 09:02 PM
Again, nobody "apologizes" for "performance" and nobody "hunts" for "performance".
You can't keep trying to freaking spin this shit.
Do you know what the definition of insanity is? You're fucking textbook.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 10-22-2012 09:45 PM
(10-22-2012 08:44 PM)Radical Wrote: That performance included carting people off the field do to being injured.
And exactly where is that documented that any targeted player was "carted off" because of intentional injury as was claimed by Goodell back in April? Well?
There isn't any because it never happened.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 10-22-2012 09:47 PM
(10-22-2012 08:48 PM)Aftermath Wrote: It was a sworn statement, meaning that if he perjured himself he would be looking at jail time. What reason did he have to lie?
He didn't lie. He never stated there were bounties on any players.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - Aftermath - 10-22-2012 09:53 PM
(10-22-2012 09:47 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: He didn't lie. He never stated there were bounties on any players.
He said Vilma put a $10,000 bounty of Favre.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 10-22-2012 10:05 PM
(10-22-2012 09:02 PM)Beef Wrote: Again, nobody "apologizes" for "performance" and nobody "hunts" for "performance".
You can't keep trying to freaking spin this shit.
Do you know what the definition of insanity is? You're fucking textbook.
I keep trying to respect your intelligence but you make it difficult. The apology was for running a performance program that was against the rules. And I don't get where your hunting comes from. You sir, are the one that doesn't have a clue. I would say it is amazing how shallow your depth of understand was, but it is quite obvious based upon your limited use of proper English.
And, yes, I have a perfect idea of the definition of insanity.
Your instability in dealing with people has certain characteristics being exhibited. Your constant use of profanity exhibits your insecurity. You understand that you are wrong and your defense mechanism is to verbally attempt to attack. But, every time you do you lower yourself just that much more.
I have suggested you avoid this thread because it just continues to have you embarrass yourself. If you continue to visit and interact I would assume it is because you actually enjoy the exchanges.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 10-22-2012 10:14 PM
(10-22-2012 09:53 PM)Aftermath Wrote: He said Vilma put a $10,000 bounty of Favre.
He signed a statement prepared by the league that said that he wasn't involved, but that Vilma supposedly offered up $10,000 dollars on Favre. He said that it was not part of his personal pay for performance program and he wasn't part of it. He also said he never saw any money involved.
But, Mike Cerullo, the confirmed liar, in his statement said that Vilma walked in and held up "two five stacks" to take out Warner (not Favre) and that Vilma gave him the cash and he gave it to Gregg Williams. Greeg Willaims, as you remember said he never saw any cash.
Now, remember again, the whole ordeal dealt with the supposed ongoing and regular targeting by Saints players of opposing players for intentional injury.
Where is the evidence of that?
Vilma's lawyer has presented evidence through bank records that there was no way that Vilma could have produced $10,000 in cash.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 10-22-2012 10:17 PM
(10-22-2012 08:57 PM)Beef Wrote: Again you are just making shit up on top of making unfounded assumption after unfounded assumption.
"...vowed to get even." LOL.
https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/...4297885696
https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/...9946088449
https://twitter.com/realfreemancbs/statu...9359564800
https://twitter.com/realfreemancbs/statu...7051352064
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...9728969728
My Gawd! All of that has already been discredited and none of it is part of what is still considered "evidence". I knew you were totally out of touch. I would suggest you crawl back into your hole and let those that actually keep up with things continue the discussion.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - Aftermath - 10-22-2012 10:26 PM
(10-22-2012 10:14 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: He signed a statement prepared by the league that said that he wasn't involved, but that Vilma supposedly offered up $10,000 dollars on Favre. He said that it was not part of his personal pay for performance program and he wasn't part of it. He also said he never saw any money involved.why would he risk perjury in saying that Vilma put that bounty on Favre?
But, Mike Cerullo, the confirmed liar, in his statement said that Vilma walked in and held up "two five stacks" to take out Warner (not Favre) and that Vilma gave him the cash and he gave it to Gregg Williams. Greeg Willaims, as you remember said he never saw any cash.
Now, remember again, the whole ordeal dealt with the supposed ongoing and regular targeting by Saints players of opposing players for intentional injury.
Where is the evidence of that?
Vilma's lawyer has presented evidence through bank records that there was no way that Vilma could have produced $10,000 in cash.
So Vilma never took $10,000 out of the bank? that's his defense? I haven't taken $40 out of my bank in recent months yet I have $40 in my wallet. Its not unfathomable that he managed to save up $10,000 in cash without ever withdrawing it from the bank. Incredibly weak argument IMO.
Gregg Williams said Vilma put a $10,000 bounty on Favre but he never saw the cash, is that really supposed to be proof that the bounty was never placed?