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RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 10-22-2012 05:29 PM
(10-22-2012 03:45 PM)mdrake34 Wrote: I think he makes several valid points. He's a diehard Patriot's fan, I could buy into your argument that he has a baseless agenda against Gooddell more if he were a Saints fan.
Yes he does have valid points and he is by no means alone. These very same points have been brought up recently by writers in many different markets.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 10-22-2012 05:35 PM
(10-22-2012 03:38 PM)Beef Wrote: No need to patronize to attempt to deflect. We all know you're sitting there lieing to yourself about being normal.
Not meaning to be patronizing, but it gets old seeing you constantly spelling the word "lying" incorrectly. As for being normal, I guess it depends upon your definition. I would never want to be simply normal.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - mdrake34 - 10-22-2012 05:42 PM
(10-22-2012 05:29 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: Yes he does have valid points and he is by no means alone. These very same points have been brought up recently by writers in many different markets.
I don't agree with all of his opinions regarding bounty gate, and maintain that it happened, but I think he's spot on on a lot of Gooddell's other hypocrisies. Ever since he first started handing out fines for illegal hits I've called him a hypocrite for not banning the old fashioned Riddell helmets.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - Aftermath - 10-22-2012 05:56 PM
The fact that Goodell is a hypocrite in his stance on player safety doesn't serve as proof that bounty gate didn't happen.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 10-22-2012 06:16 PM
(10-22-2012 05:56 PM)Aftermath Wrote: The fact that Goodell is a hypocrite in his stance on player safety doesn't serve as proof that bounty gate didn't happen.
The fact that he is a hypocrite on player safety and has never produced any verifiable evidence that there were bounties on opposing players puts a great deal of doubt that bounty gate did happen.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - Aftermath - 10-22-2012 06:53 PM
(10-22-2012 06:16 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: The fact that he is a hypocrite on player safety and has never produced any verifiable evidence that there were bounties on opposing players puts a great deal of doubt that bounty gate did happen.
What kind of evidence are you looking for exactly? we've seen Greg Williams sign an affidavit attesting to the fact, they have audio, emails, a rather damning paper trail, computer files, what else do you need?
If you are waiting for some type of secret video that shows Williams or the players exchanging money while acknowledging that it was for a bounty before you admit that this actually happened you will likely be waiting for a good long while.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - Beef - 10-22-2012 06:53 PM
(10-22-2012 05:27 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: Which is exactly why you have been wrong so often concerning this whole affair.
If we took a poll on who's the most wrong person on these forums, there's no doubt in the world you would win by 100% margin.
There has been plenty of proof that a pay for injury bounty program existed. As usual, you just continue to ignore it.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 10-22-2012 08:29 PM
(10-22-2012 06:53 PM)Aftermath Wrote: What kind of evidence are you looking for exactly? we've seen Greg Williams sign an affidavit attesting to the fact, they have audio, emails, a rather damning paper trail, computer files, what else do you need?
If you are waiting for some type of secret video that shows Williams or the players exchanging money while acknowledging that it was for a bounty before you admit that this actually happened you will likely be waiting for a good long while.
No, Gregg Williams signed a declaration, not an affidavit, stating that there was a pay for performance program. They have audio of Gregg Williams well known hyperbole. They have no more emails because the league dropped them from their evidence because they realized it was a joke. The only "paper trail" they have was provided in handwritten form by a low level ex-employee (Mike Cerullo) who was fired for lying on multiple occasions to management and had vowed to get even. The computer files verified that the Saints had a pay for performance program just like most every franchise in the league, not a bounty program.
What do I need? I need nothing else because there is nothing else. Once Mike Cerullo is able to be cross-examined by the defense he will once again be proven to be a liar.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 10-22-2012 08:36 PM
(10-22-2012 06:53 PM)Beef Wrote: If we took a poll on who's the most wrong person on these forums, there's no doubt in the world you would win by 100% margin.
There has been plenty of proof that a pay for injury bounty program existed. As usual, you just continue to ignore it.
No, there has been plenty of evidence that your run of the mill pay for performance pool was going on. There is ZERO evidence of bounties. The players and coaches were not punished for even a pay for injury program under your definition.
They were accused and punished for targeting opposing players for intentional injury for reward.
You have stated before that this is what you knew was going on. Have you changed your mind?
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - Radical - 10-22-2012 08:44 PM
That performance included carting people off the field do to being injured.