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RE: Saints Bounty Thread - JDaveG - 09-19-2012 12:47 PM
(09-19-2012 11:21 AM)AsylumGuido Wrote: I thought about that too, but I just figured they would have probably felt comfortable with all of those still in town testifying since it was just a hearing on the restraining order. I'm sure every single person on that defensive team would be subpenaed along with Williams and Cerullo (who were served this week) when the time comes.
That, to me, would be more interesting than current players rallying round the flagpole OR a former coach putting out an affidavit.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 09-20-2012 10:55 AM
(09-19-2012 11:14 AM)JDaveG Wrote: Why wouldn't players who left New Orleans by the time of the hearing not come and testify on Vilma's behalf?
I'm not saying you're wrong, in fact I think you're right -- let the reader understand.
With a little help from a friend I have found who testified at the hearing.
Jonathan Vilma's court hearing ends without a decision
NEW ORLEANS -- After Jonathan Vilma and seven witnesses testified Thursday that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell got his facts wrong in the bounty scandal, a federal judge decided against making an immediate ruling on whether the suspended Saints' linebacker could temporarily return to work.
The hearing gave Vilma and several current and former teammates, as well as Saints assistant head coach Joe Vitt, a chance to explain why they believe NFL investigators "misconstrued" evidence gathered in their bounty investigation and incorrectly concluded that the Saints had a program in place that offered cash bonuses for tackles that injured opponents.
"Everything I've worked for has been basically thrown down the toilet," Vilma said when asked about the harm his bounty suspension has done to both his pro career and charitable work that includes building schools in Haiti. "It hurts. It's tough to swallow because it's not who I am."
Vilma has asked U.S. District Judge Ginger Berrigan to impose a temporary restraining order against the NFL while his lawsuit against Goodell proceeds. Vilma's suit accuses the commissioner of defamation and also asks Berrigan to permanently overturn Goodell's decision to suspend Vilma for the entire 2012 season.
NFL attorneys did not attempt to challenge testimony denying the existence of a bounty program. Rather, they argued the real question in Vilma's case was whether the federal courts had jurisdiction to overturn a process that was collectively bargained. They noted that multiple system arbitrators have already agreed that Goodell has followed the very policies for imposing discipline to which players agreed in the league's labor agreement.
"Mr. Vilma may not like that bargain but it's not for him ... or this court to decide," NFL attorney Gregg Levy argued.
Berrigan did not say when she would rule on the temporary restraining order that Vilma's attorney requested in Thursday's seven-hour hearing. However, she did say she was troubled by some of the NFL's arguments.
She said Goodell's contention that players were being punished for actions that occurred not on the field, but in meeting rooms and locker rooms, "borders on ridiculous," and cited it as one of several examples of "slicing the salami very thin."
Goodell has stated that he has jurisdiction because he is dealing with conduct detrimental to the game, not for on-field infractions that require the use of an arbitrator.
Current New Orleans defensive players Roman Harper, Sedrick Ellis, Jonathan Casillas and Scott Shanle testified on Vilma's behalf, along with retired former teammates Troy Evans and Randall Gay.
They denied ever seeing Vilma offer $10,000 cash knocking quarterbacks Brett Favre or Kurt Warner out of the 2009-10 NFC playoffs, as the NFL has said he did.
Vitt, sometimes pausing with emotion, praised Vilma as one of the finest players he has ever known, and someone as important to New Orleans' defense as record-setting quarterback Drew Brees is to the Saints' offense.
Vilma wants a swift ruling because he is rehabilitating his surgically repaired left knee and said doing so at the Saints' facility is far more productive than doing it on his own.
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Including Vilma himself that makes eight. I am assuming that he has at least one additional affidavit from another source that didn't testify that day.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 09-20-2012 11:02 AM
(09-19-2012 12:47 PM)JDaveG Wrote: That, to me, would be more interesting than current players rallying round the flagpole OR a former coach putting out an affidavit.
Yup. That is why, even though we both know Vilma has no chance of winning, I am looking forward to the lawsuit hitting the fan. I can't wait to see what Cerullo and Williams have to say under oath in cross-examination.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - pauliwood - 09-20-2012 11:50 AM
BREAKING NEWS: The saints have played 2 games, lost both of them.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - ATLBound - 09-20-2012 01:00 PM
"They denied ever SEEING Vilma offer $10,000 cash knocking quarterbacks Brett Favre or Kurt Warner out of the 2009-10 NFC playoffs, as the NFL has said he did."
I'm sorry to be "anal" about this, but if they weren't there when it was said, then that's another story
OR
(Not sure if the statement above is an exact quote) But seeing and hearing are 2 different things. Just sayin'
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 09-20-2012 01:39 PM
(09-20-2012 01:00 PM)ATLBound Wrote: "They denied ever SEEING Vilma offer $10,000 cash knocking quarterbacks Brett Favre or Kurt Warner out of the 2009-10 NFC playoffs, as the NFL has said he did."
I'm sorry to be "anal" about this, but if they weren't there when it was said, then that's another story
OR
(Not sure if the statement above is an exact quote) But seeing and hearing are 2 different things. Just sayin'
The meeting(s) in which this was claimed to have happened had the entire defensive team and defensive coaching staff. The meeting(s) in question was the mandatory defensive meeting before the next day's playoff game. There is no chance that they were not present.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - phocis850 - 09-20-2012 02:05 PM
They were taking a shit.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - FireDawg85 - 09-20-2012 03:03 PM
(09-20-2012 11:50 AM)pauliwood Wrote: BREAKING NEWS: The saints have played 2 games, lost both of them.
BUMP!!!
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - Beef - 09-20-2012 03:49 PM
(09-20-2012 10:55 AM)AsylumGuido Wrote: Current New Orleans defensive players Roman Harper, Sedrick Ellis, Jonathan Casillas and Scott Shanle testified on Vilma's behalf, along with retired former teammates Troy Evans and Randall Gay.
They denied ever seeing Vilma offer $10,000 cash knocking quarterbacks Brett Favre or Kurt Warner out of the 2009-10 NFC playoffs, as the NFL has said he did.
LOL, riiiight. None of those guys has a reason to lie. They're completely unbiased and objective.
I mean Greg Williams and Cerullo can lie. They'll lie under oath and risk going to jail even. But these players, no way could or would they ever lie and risk anything.
The absolutes you constantly vomit out of your mouth are so asinine it's not even laughable anymore. It's tiresome and irritating. You're so obnoxiously biased and one-sided in any ounce of analysis and any contentions you present. It's really amazing that you're still arguing this. It's easily the most pathetic thing I've ever seen and I'm not exagerating that. I've never seen someone so wrong work so hard to convince people of something that is an absolute 1000% lost cause.
And it's not a lost cause because we're biased against anything Saints related, it's because inside our minds, through use of logic, common sense, and experience with how the real world works, we know that where there's smoke there really ends up always being fire. And nobody should have to jump through near as many hoops as you have to try to convince everyone otherwise.
If the truth really was on your side, it never should have been this hard to prove it by this point. But you've spun and spun and spun and spun and gezuz fucking christ have you spun the shit out of everything since day 1. You've twisted every single piece of anything to do with this into your favor with ambiguous and nonsensical rationalizations that just wreak of desperation and blind fanaticism. You've hurt your case WAY more than helped it.
It's time for you to just go away. You've got no chance at satisfaction over here. You're only looking more insane and pathetic by the day and it's never going to amount to anything.
Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 09-20-2012 04:26 PM
(09-20-2012 03:49 PM)Beef Wrote: LOL, riiiight. None of those guys has a reason to lie. They're completely unbiased and objective.
I mean Greg Williams and Cerullo can lie. They'll lie under oath and risk going to jail even. But these players, no way could or would they ever lie and risk anything.
The absolutes you constantly vomit out of your mouth are so asinine it's not even laughable anymore. It's tiresome and irritating. You're so obnoxiously biased and one-sided in any ounce of analysis and any contentions you present. It's really amazing that you're still arguing this. It's easily the most pathetic thing I've ever seen and I'm not exagerating that. I've never seen someone so wrong work so hard to convince people of something that is an absolute 1000% lost cause.
And it's not a lost cause because we're biased against anything Saints related, it's because inside our minds, through use of logic, common sense, and experience with how the real world works, we know that where there's smoke there really ends up always being fire. And nobody should have to jump through near as many hoops as you have to try to convince everyone otherwise.
If the truth really was on your side, it never should have been this hard to prove it by this point. But you've spun and spun and spun and spun and gezuz fucking christ have you spun the shit out of everything since day 1. You've twisted every single piece of anything to do with this into your favor with ambiguous and nonsensical rationalizations that just wreak of desperation and blind fanaticism. You've hurt your case WAY more than helped it.
It's time for you to just go away. You've got no chance at satisfaction over here. You're only looking more insane and pathetic by the day and it's never going to amount to anything.
Lol!! Yes, I literally laughed out loud while reading this. You, sir, are the one out of touch with reality.