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RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 09-04-2012 05:35 PM
(09-04-2012 05:22 PM)ATLBound Wrote: On the contrary sir, this was his first statement after announcing the penalites for the players back in May.
I know, exactly. But, it was when he announced the punishment for the front office personnel almost two months earlier that he made public the accusations against the players that was wholly predicated on bounties placed on specific players to be targeted for intentional injury and gave the example of Vilma placing $10000 dollars on Brett Favre. That matched the first three caveats of his later statement.
"I focused on players who were in leadership positions at the Saints; contributed a particularly large sum of money toward the program; specifically contributed to a bounty on an opposing player;"
But, now you are telling me the punishment was instead for the add-ons after that initial announcement?
"demonstrated a clear intent to participate in a program that potentially injured opposing players; sought rewards for doing so; and/OR obstructed the 2010 investigation."
It sounds to me like he couldn't prove what he initially declared and he couldn't let up on the players since he already went WAY overboard on the front office people, so he added the second part, picked a few of the supposed 22-27 and let them have it.
So, yes, we both agree the punishment was excessive. But, I also believe the accusations were false in that they were not convicted of what they were originally charged. They got 20 year terms for running a red light.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 09-04-2012 05:40 PM
(09-04-2012 05:31 PM)Anomaly Wrote: Why the fuck are we still even talking about this? It's less than a week before the season starts.
The troll is never going to change its' idiotic stance so there is no point in arguing with it.
Perhaps it is because ATLBound treating it as a debate, as am I. He is making well thought out arguments, as am I. I respect his opinion far, far more than some others here because he takes the time to at least look at the other side.
And if I was trolling I wouldn't be doing my best to keep this subject within this one thread, while trying to make subject oriented posts in other threads as I have always done.
You are welcome to not open this thread if it disturbs you.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - ATLBound - 09-04-2012 06:00 PM
(09-04-2012 05:35 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: I know, exactly. But, it was when he announced the punishment for the front office personnel almost two months earlier that he made public the accusations against the players that was wholly predicated on bounties placed on specific players to be targeted for intentional injury and gave the example of Vilma placing $10000 dollars on Brett Favre. That matched the first three caveats of his later statement.
"I focused on players who were in leadership positions at the Saints; contributed a particularly large sum of money toward the program; specifically contributed to a bounty on an opposing player;"
But, now you are telling me the punishment was instead for the add-ons after that initial announcement?
"demonstrated a clear intent to participate in a program that potentially injured opposing players; sought rewards for doing so; and/OR obstructed the 2010 investigation."
It sounds to me like he couldn't prove what he initially declared and he couldn't let up on the players since he already went WAY overboard on the front office people, so he added the second part, picked a few of the supposed 22-27 and let them have it.
So, yes, we both agree the punishment was excessive. But, I also believe the accusations were false in that they were not convicted of what they were originally charged. They got 20 year terms for running a red light.
This post is where your bias shows. I think you're being a spin doctor on this one. When he made this statement, there weren't any rebuttals, lawsuits, arguments, debates, etc. against Goodell and the NFL.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - pauliwood - 09-04-2012 06:54 PM
You guys do know that this won't end anytime soon using current tactics right? Right?
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - AsylumGuido - 09-04-2012 07:12 PM
(09-04-2012 06:54 PM)pauliwood Wrote: You guys do know that this won't end anytime soon using current tactics right? Right?
You suggesting we tie a bandana to our wrists and go at it with a knife?
This is much more enjoyable and no one should get hurt ... other than Beef, perhaps. He could blow a gasket.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - Drathdon - 09-04-2012 08:35 PM
Cart Off has a specific meaning in football that even my daughter, just learning to identify defensive formations, knows clearly, but these professional players somehow created a world where that clearly defined word means something else?
No wonder they think they're innocent. They lived in Fantasy Land, where Milk is Juice and Legs are Toes!
And I never though Brees would not be signed. I just relished in every day he was held without a contract, knowing the damage it was further doing to your team. Feel free to watch the following weeks for proof of said damage.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - Beef - 09-04-2012 09:10 PM
https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/...4297885696
Quote:@SI_PeterKing
NFL just showed reporters evidence in Saints case, incl allegation of $35k bounty, not just $10k, to knock Favre out of '09 NFC title game.
https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/...9946088449
Quote:@SI_PeterKing
NFL also showed evidence on ledger that S Roman Harper once was due$1000 for knocking NYG RB Brandon Jacobs from a game
https://twitter.com/realfreemancbs/statu...9359564800
Quote:@realfreemancbs
Gregg Wiliams was clearly the biggest source for NFL but no question league has many other sources.
https://twitter.com/realfreemancbs/statu...7051352064
Quote:@realfreemancbs
Owner Benson was cooperative with the league granting investigators access to Saints computer system.
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...9728969728
Quote:@AdamSchefter
NFL showed slides from Saints computers on 1/7/11,saying: "Now's the time to do our jobs, collect bounty $. No apologies. Let's go hunting."
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - ATLBound - 09-04-2012 09:25 PM
(09-04-2012 09:10 PM)Beef Wrote: https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/...4297885696
https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/...9946088449
https://twitter.com/realfreemancbs/statu...9359564800
https://twitter.com/realfreemancbs/statu...7051352064
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...9728969728
Another claim debunked....the word "bounty" didn't come from Goodell or the NFL. It came from the Saints themselves.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - juraitwaluzka - 09-04-2012 10:29 PM
غيدو كنت نضح كامل وهو اضحة للعيان لمن يستطيع القراءة باللغة العربية.
Guido þú ert heill douche og það er látlaus að sjá fyrir þá sem geta lesið arabísku eða íslensku.
圭多你是一個完整的沖洗，這是顯而易見的，任何人都可以閱讀阿拉伯文或中文或冰島。
Guido wewe ni Shower kamili na ni wazi kuona kwa mtu yeyote ambaye anaweza kusoma Kiarabu au Kichina au Kiaislandi au Kiswahili.
RE: Saints Bounty Thread - Radical - 09-04-2012 11:46 PM
(09-04-2012 05:12 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: The intent of the pay for performance plan was to reward hard hits, among other key plays, NOT to reward injuries.
You're only carted off when you're injured, just like you're only put in the body bag when you're dead.