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RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - ATLBound - 05-07-2012 04:06 PM
(05-07-2012 04:01 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: Yes, what about Cole's article? You have read the declaration, right? I read that article over two hours ago. All it does is repeat excerpts from the declaration. What value added point does that article present?
I posted it right above you. The NFLPA submitted this to the NFL because they are trying to prove the players are just following orders.
But of course this article isn't a good one because it's just Jason Cole's opinion....oh wait....isn't that what Florio's article about...an opinion?
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - ATLBound - 05-07-2012 04:10 PM
(05-07-2012 03:56 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: Umm, that's also called lying (note correct spelling). So, yes, it does support my thinking completely.Stop being a grammar whore...it's a message board, not a business meeting.
You act as if a misspelled word discredits the content of the whole message.
You did the same thing with the guy who spelled Payton's and Gregg's name incorrectly.
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - AsylumGuido - 05-07-2012 04:17 PM
(05-07-2012 04:06 PM)ATLBound Wrote: I posted it right above you. The NFLPA submitted this to the NFL because they are trying to prove the players are just following orders.
Exactly. But without actual proof one way or the other whose opinion is correct?
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - Beef - 05-07-2012 04:49 PM
(05-07-2012 02:08 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: Here is the famous declaration. Now you know why Williams and Vitt were suspended. But, this does not confirm that Hargrove was aware of any bounty program. He simply says he said what he was told to say by the coaches.
This is ridiculous. There's absolutely no logical or even remotely rational reason why he would have to follow the direction of irrelevant and extraneous direction that allegedly didn't involve him, because according to you, Hargrove didn't participate in a bounty and wasn't aware one existed, because also according to you, one didn't exist.
If you were not at all involved in a murder plot conspiracy, why would anyone come to you and say, "make sure you deny knowing anything about a murder plot."?
If you're REALLY not involved and you REALLY have zero knowledge anything like that exists, then there's absolute no logical or rational reason to single you out and give you personal direction to deny it.
If it REALLY doesn't exist, then when/if investigators came to question you about it, all you would have to do is tell the truth. And if it REALLY didn't exist, your superiors wouldn't even have to ask you to deny it.
That said, EVERYBODY fucking knows what "Did you stick to the story?" means. Acting like you don't is asinine. Or trying to interpret it some other way is moronic. If the TRUTH was that no bounty or program existed and Hargrove knew nothing about it, that question doesn't even need to be asked and he doesn't need direction telling him to deny it. And nothing you can say is going to change that.
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - Radical - 05-07-2012 04:57 PM
If you're being told to play dumb, then that means you know something that will cause problems.
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - ATLBound - 05-07-2012 05:10 PM
My sentiments exactly...kudos to Beef for the long response and Radical for the short response explaining the exact same thing.
I don't know why it's a question but because I have become very interested in his next delusional response....I really want to know. So without further ado....
IN THE NEXT EPISODE OF....How delusional can Guido get?
He answers the question...Why would somebody not involved in a bounty be asked to "play dumb?"
*Puts mic in Guido's face*
Where is a comic book artist when u need one?
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - Beef - 05-07-2012 05:13 PM
Oh, and just so you know, Mary Jo White, the lawyer that said there's plenty of evidence supporting Goodell's investigations and punishments, the lawyer that you are claiming is a corrupt biased liar only saying what the NFL wants her to say, is actually employed by the law firm Debevoise & Plimpton. She is actually a senior partner there and chair of the litigation department.
Your baseless claim and slander of her is beyond stupid. There is no way on earth that she is going to risk her reputation and the reputation of her law firm. If she is found to be lying and making false claims here, she and her entire law firm loses every ounce of credibility.
Understand, her law firm is the law firm for quite a prominent group of companies and organizations. You may recognize some of them: American Airlines, American Express, AXA, BNP Paribas, The Carlyle Group, Clayton, Dubilier & Rice, The Coca-Cola Company, CNN, Delta Air Lines, Deutsche Bank, Gap, Goldman Sachs, Hasbro, International Paper, JPMorgan Chase, Kelso & Company, MetLife, National Football League, National Hockey League, NBC, The New York Times Company, Providence Equity Partners, Prudential Financial, Siemens, Shell Oil Company, SONY, Universal Music Group, Verizon, Yahoo.
To think that she would take that risk simply because the NFL asked her to is just beyond silly. You're not even grasping at straws with accusations like that. You're just making an ass of yourself.
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - AsylumGuido - 05-07-2012 05:38 PM
(05-07-2012 04:57 PM)Radical Wrote: If you're being told to play dumb, then that means you know something that will cause problems.
Who told him to play dumb? That was the headline writer.
It all comes down to this not being proof of anything beyond saying that he did what he was told to do. It doesn't say anything about his knowing about any bounty program or participating in one. This differs from what Goodell stated the declaration said. Goodell clearly lied to the media about this document.
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - ATLBound - 05-07-2012 05:43 PM
He uses the diversion tactic and also deploys his own "play dumb" destruct-O ray
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - Beef - 05-07-2012 05:52 PM
(05-07-2012 05:38 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: Who told him to play dumb? That was the headline writer.
No, Hargrove explicitly said Williams and Vitt told him to "just play dumb".
Maybe you need to re-read it and check paragraph 8 again.
And yes, it DOES give proof that a bounty and bounty program existed. The fact that you choose to misrepresent it's context doesn't change that. Your logic is flawed, it's that simple.
Everyone reading that declaration, except you with your deliberate bias, understands that nobody would be given orders to deny something, play dumb, and stick to a story for something that doesn't exist and only needs the truth to substantiate that fact.
You can't explain that away no matter how hard you try. That declaration DOES prove everything when PROPER context and logic are applied. And this isn't subjective. There is no alternative context.