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RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - phocis850 - 05-07-2012 01:08 AM
Beef, your last several posts are the definition of trolling.
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - Beef - 05-07-2012 06:18 AM
(05-07-2012 01:08 AM)phocis850 Wrote: Beef, your last several posts are the definition of trolling.
That's not remotely true, Phocis. I'm not making up BS that I know isn't true for the sole purpose of getting attention from it and stringing along false debate. And calling someone else out for doing it is far from trolling.
I hardly think anybody here thinks I'm trolling them. Even Guido doesn't think I'm trolling him, he just think's I'm insulting him. And if we can't even take shots at fans of our biggest rivalry who are obviously here trolling us, then this place has it's priorities out of wack.
He's got you bamboozled.
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - Falconidae - 05-07-2012 08:38 AM
(05-06-2012 07:26 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: The coaches let a pay for performance program go on which is against the rules. Goodell claimed it was also pay to injure which they could not defend. They have no unionYou know what's been presented to the public, just like the rest of us, and you choose to ignore or belittle anything that doesn't fit into your denial.
Next one means nothing.
The report contained zero evidence of any pay to injure plan. Zero!
Payton, Vitt, Loomis and even Williams denied any pay to injure. Read both of williams' apologies and all he mentions is pay for performance. The only person that may be truly lying is the ex-coach for defensive quality control that got fired after the 2009 season. Goodell isn't lying. He is just going off loosely pieced possibilities.
As for the NFLPA, no less so than the NFL and I would tend to trust them more based upon outsides pressures on the NFL ... lawsuits!!!
Have the fact been presented or not? If they have then it is bogus. If they haven't, why not?
The "FBI woman" was simply a lawyer that at one time was a US attorney, just like the lead lawyer that is representing the players. She had no affiliation with the FBI. She was hired by the NFL as a mouthpiece to say their findings held enough weight for the penalties. The fact is that the NFLPA has seen the same evidence and has said that their is no evidence of player involvement in any pay to injure scheme.
I told you that I know the fact to date in every detail.
So, if there's little or no evidence, why did Goodell do this? Why did the NFL attorney's allow it to happen?
Why aren't Payton & Williams loudly proclaiming their innocence and filing lawsuits against an unjust action?
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - AsylumGuido - 05-07-2012 10:08 AM
(05-06-2012 08:48 PM)ATLBound Wrote: OK...the bolded and underlined says it all for me.
Yes. The agenda train. If you don't believe that this whole thing has everything to do with the concussion lawsuits then you are being naive. By trying to make this a vile act with intent to maim opposing players with overwhelming enthusiasm it shows that the league is not ignoring the concussion problem. But, as recently as three years ago, Goodell and his league denied that concussions had no long term affect on the brain.
No, it's not the agenda you were expecting. He's not out to get the Saints. But, someone came to them with a story that was ripe for the picking and they were not going to let a minor thing like facts stand in the way of a good defense.
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - AsylumGuido - 05-07-2012 10:14 AM
(05-07-2012 08:38 AM)Falconidae Wrote: You know what's been presented to the public, just like the rest of us, and you choose to ignore or belittle anything that doesn't fit into your denial.
So, if there's little or no evidence, why did Goodell do this? Why did the NFL attorney's allow it to happen?
Why aren't Payton & Williams loudly proclaiming their innocence and filing lawsuits against an unjust action?
First, name one thing that doesn't fit into my denial.
See my post above as to why he's doing this and it would make sense that he would be coached by the NFL lawyers to do just this. It's all about the lawsuits.
Payton and Williams have both denied that there was any pay to injure program. Williams apologized for running a pay for performance program and nothing more in his two official apologies. As for lawsuits, Payton and Williams do not have a union standing behind them. There's nothing they can do ... at all.
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - AsylumGuido - 05-07-2012 10:21 AM
(05-06-2012 09:49 PM)TeamPlayer1 Wrote: I have no problem with your opinion of the post but this column was published, according to the dateline, on May 5th 2012 so when you say "Yeah I read it when it first came out " you imply it is outdated. It came out yesterday.
I read it within minutes after it was posted. I follow several news services of which many specialize in immediately posting Saints related articles. Okay, so I have very little life. Anyway, I read every story as soon as they appear on my Twitter feed. I wasn't meaning it was outdated at all. I just wasn't that impressed by it knowing the source as well as I do and knowing it was simply his opinion.
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - AsylumGuido - 05-07-2012 10:22 AM
(05-06-2012 08:52 PM)phocis850 Wrote: Smart people deny everything when accused.
They couldn't deny pay for performance. That did happen.
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - AsylumGuido - 05-07-2012 10:30 AM
(05-07-2012 12:05 AM)Beef Wrote: You guys haven't figured it out yet. He didn't read it until we posted it. He doesn't know shit about shit. He's trolling.
Believe me, I know a hell of a lot more about it than you do. If some small junior college in Kansas runs an editorial about it I know about within minutes and read it.
As for trolling, all I am doing is answering questions from your own members, trying to post information supporting my belief and trying to engage in intelligent conversation ... which is increasingly difficult with a couple of you.
I suggest that you ignore the thread. It would be for the best.
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - AsylumGuido - 05-07-2012 10:49 AM
(05-07-2012 10:21 AM)AsylumGuido Wrote: I read it within minutes after it was posted. I follow several news services of which many specialize in immediately posting Saints related articles. Okay, so I have very little life. Anyway, I read every story as soon as they appear on my Twitter feed. I wasn't meaning it was outdated at all. I just wasn't that impressed by it knowing the source as well as I do and knowing it was simply his opinion.
I'm not sure why you would want to follow Saints news, but just to let you know my sources. Many of these are NFL in general, but between them all there isn't a Saints snippet that slips through the cracks. I easily read dozens of articles a day.
@JeffDuncanTP
@NOLASaintsNewz <-- probably the best for Saints news
@ProFootballTalk
@espn_nfcsouth
@JayGlazer
@michaelombardi
@AlbertBreer
@NFLRumorCentral
@AdamSchein
@TripTP
@ClaytonESPN
@AshleyMFox
@MelKiperESPN
@Saints
@CoachBillick
@KaraHenderson
@Alex_Flanagan
@nflnetwork
@richeisen
@judybattista
@NFLLIVE
@jocktodoc
@Rachel__Nichols
@markschlereth
@MichelleDBeadle
@mortreport
@HermEdwardsESPN
@wingoz
@AdamSchefter
@MikeAndMike
@ErinAndrews
@notthefakeSVP
@Rodney_Harrison
@CindyBoren
@Grantland33
@sagesteele
@SportsNation
@tthasselbeck
@CollinsworthNBC
@TDESPN
@Espngreeny
@RealSkipBayless
@TafoyaNBCSports
@CharissaT
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - Falconidae - 05-07-2012 11:38 AM
(05-07-2012 10:14 AM)AsylumGuido Wrote: First, name one thing that doesn't fit into my denial.
See my post above as to why he's doing this and it would make sense that he would be coached by the NFL lawyers to do just this. It's all about the lawsuits.
Payton and Williams have both denied that there was any pay to injure program. Williams apologized for running a pay for performance program and nothing more in his two official apologies. As for lawsuits, Payton and Williams do not have a union standing behind them. There's nothing they can do ... at all.
Oh, pretty much the whole idea that Payton, Williams and the rest are guilty.
Having a reason to come down hard on somebody for player safety doesn't explain why the Saints would be targeted without evidence. Or why, even if Goodell wanted to punish the Saints for no reason, the NFL's fine lawyers would allow that. Which is what you still haven't explained.
And Payton could indeed sue the NFL, Benson could as well- if he thought Payton was unjustly accused, why wouldn't he file suit against the league?