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RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - AsylumGuido - 05-04-2012 12:16 AM
(05-04-2012 12:08 AM)JDaveG Wrote: He was serving the last weeks of his sentence. And once again, if the player wasn't injured, why would he pony up anything?
The guy is in the loop with teams all across the league. He has been a fixrure all over the NFL for years.
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - Beef - 05-04-2012 12:24 AM
Dave Archer mentioned on the radio today that one of the players suspended was heard several times by several people on the sideline of a game where I think he took out Farve, "Where's my money? Pay up."
It was one of the 4. I think he said it was Will Smith. And Goodell received testimony from more than one person who said it was for a bounty and the guy got paid for it.
Archer also mentioned that Hargrove actually ratted out other players in exchange for reduced punishment. And somebody else inside the Saints locker room has come forward and made a statement too. And that he expects the Saints locker room to be divided over all of this. He said it could get ugly in the Saints locker room soon.
Dave Archer is one of Atlanta's most respected journalist, game announcer, and radio host. If he says stuff like this, it's legit as legit gets. He doesn't make shit up. So there's more to this than a lot of people realize.
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - pauliwood - 05-04-2012 12:34 AM
Archer is legit.
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - JDaveG - 05-04-2012 08:03 AM
(05-04-2012 12:16 AM)AsylumGuido Wrote: The guy is in the loop with teams all across the league. He has been a fixrure all over the NFL for years.
Can't have it both ways, Guido. You went with the slimeball angle. Now you're making excuses.
I know this, he wasn't hanging around the Falcons' sidelines, e-mailing our coach, etc.
Y'all gave him a Super Bowl ring. Lets just be real. Whatever this guy is, he's yours. If he's a slimeball, he's a New Orleans Saints slimeball. That's the part you don't want to own up to.
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - AsylumGuido - 05-04-2012 10:15 AM
(05-04-2012 12:24 AM)Beef Wrote: Dave Archer mentioned on the radio today that one of the players suspended was heard several times by several people on the sideline of a game where I think he took out Farve, "Where's my money? Pay up."
I wasn't Smith that some have claimed said that. It was either Hargrove or Remi Ayodele. Nothing new here. I am sure Archer is top notch, but all he is doing is repeating unfound allegations that have been out there for months. None of that is new. The additional person that came forth was the person that re-raised the issue prior to the Detroit playoff game in 2012. He was a a former defensive quality assistant who was fired after the 2009 season. He claims he was black-balled by Loomis and Payton and couldn't get a job in the NFL.
Mr. Archer made nothing up. He simply didn't share the whole story probably because he wasn't aware of it all.
And don't worry about the Saints locker room. Those people are long gone with axes to grind.
Yes, there is more to this story than a lot of people realize. The more you know about it the fishier it gets. Believe me, there is not one shred of anything new that any of you have "dug up" about this. I'll guarantee you that I have read everything published, or tweeted, concerning this whole matter.
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - AsylumGuido - 05-04-2012 10:18 AM
(05-04-2012 08:03 AM)JDaveG Wrote: Can't have it both ways, Guido. You went with the slimeball angle. Now you're making excuses.
While all of this is true, it still is not proof one way or another that any Saints player ever paid or received money to intentionally injure another player. That is what the NFLPA is demanding. The slimeball is irrelevant.
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - AsylumGuido - 05-04-2012 10:24 AM
It is starting ...
NFLPA has filed a grievance against the NFL
The NFL Players Association has filed a grievance vs. the NFL challenging Commissioner Roger Goodell's authority to suspend New Orleans Saints Jonathan Vilma and Will Smitth, Cleveland's Scott Fujita and Green Bay's Anthony Hargrove, according to reports.
In a story about the filings on Pro Players Insider, the NFLPA argues that the punishments issued to the players for their actions "violated the [league's] duty of fairness to the players" because the process violated various procedural requirements of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, including limits on Goodell's authority over the matter and failure to disclosure sufficient evidence of the violations.
The report also says that system arbitration filing argues that, under the CBA, authority for any punishments to players for a pay-for-performance program rests with the System Arbitrator, not with Goodell.
NFLPA grievances attempt to steer review process away from Goodell
The NFLPA has wasted little time challenging the discipline imposed on four Saints players (two current, two former) by Commissioner Roger Goodell.
Two separate grievances have been filed, according to a source with knowledge of the situation. PFT has obtained copies of the documentation.
In one grievance, filed under Article 43 of the labor deal, the union initially argues that Goodell lacks the authority to discipline players for conduct occurring before August 4, 2011, the date on which the current CBA was finalized. The grievance cites language releasing all players from conduct in which the players engaged before August 4, 2011.
The Article 43 grievance then argues that, as the discipline relates to any intention or effort or offer to injure opposing players, Ted Cottrell and Art Shell have authority over the appeal process, and not Goodell. Cottrell and Shell have been jointly appointed by the NFL and the NFLPA to handle the appeals of fines or suspensions for “conduct on the playing field with respect to an opposing player or players.” The NFLPA believes that the bounty allegations fall within the scope of that clause.
The NFLPA also has filed a “System Arbitration” proceeding, arguing that allegations of payments being made to players separate and apart from their contracts fall within the authority of Special Master Stephen Burbank. This claims arises from the fact that the labor deal carves out specific types of disputes that are referred to Burbank for resolution. Burbank’s jurisdiction includes Article 14 of the CBA, which encompasses payments to players beyond their contracts (and thus beyond the salary cap).
And so, as expected, these grievances represent a threshold effort to steer the appeal process away from Goodell. One grievance focuses on the penalties from the perspective of the funding of the bounty pool, and one focuses on the penalties from the perspective of the effort to secure payment via attempts to inflict injury.
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - JDaveG - 05-04-2012 10:53 AM
(05-04-2012 10:18 AM)AsylumGuido Wrote: While all of this is true, it still is not proof one way or another that any Saints player ever paid or received money to intentionally injure another player. That is what the NFLPA is demanding. The slimeball is irrelevant.
Your continuing dodges are not particularly helpful nor persuasive.
NO ONE has limited this to "any Saints player," including yourself (except when it is convenient to ignore that your claim that no Saints officials or outsiders were involved in a scheme to injure players for cash has been utterly and completely refuted, that is).
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - pauliwood - 05-04-2012 12:11 PM
The real question is, once the Saints are relocated to Los Angeles, will they re-align the divisions again?
RE: Vilma Suspended 1 year - AsylumGuido - 05-04-2012 01:40 PM
(05-04-2012 12:11 PM)pauliwood Wrote: The real question is, once the Saints are relocated to Los Angeles, will they re-align the divisions again?
LOL! They aren't going anywhere for another 25 years. They have a long term contract with the state and one of the best playing venues in the league. Their owner also owns the Hornets now. Besides, it is beginning to look like a sure thing that LA will have the Vikings soon. The Saints are amongst the least likeliest teams in the league to move anywhere. In fact, once all of this came out season ticket requests skyrocketed and there was already a 50,000 person waiting list already.
In otherwords, don't hold your breath.