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RE: Before final game, Gregg Williams urged Saints to injure 49ers - AsylumGuido - 04-09-2012 08:08 PM
(04-09-2012 07:37 PM)TeamPlayer1 Wrote: The wonderful thing from my prospective is that Roger Goodell is judge, jury and executioner and he is exercising the authority given him by the owners. Why? The owners do not want to make these decisions and they the can say "Our hands are tied!"
I'm sure that the owners' side in the new contract gave the NFL Commissioner the power to discipline players for conduct detrimental to the game.
The courts and the NFLPA have no say in this matter.
Whatever Goodell decides is "So let it be written! So let it be done!"
Actually, the NFLPA does have a say in the matter if they so choose. It could get ugly. Why do you think they have brought in the lawyers? It is to make sure that the league (Goodell) doesn't do to the players what he did to Payton.
RE: Before final game, Gregg Williams urged Saints to injure 49ers - AsylumGuido - 04-09-2012 08:10 PM
(04-09-2012 07:37 PM)TeamPlayer1 Wrote: The wonderful thing from my prospective is that Roger Goodell is judge, jury and executioner and he is exercising the authority given him by the owners. Why? The owners do not want to make these decisions and they the can say "Our hands are tied!"
I'm sure that the owners' side in the new contract gave the NFL Commissioner the power to discipline players for conduct detrimental to the game.
The courts and the NFLPA have no say in this matter.
Whatever Goodell decides is "So let it be written! So let it be done!"
Oh, and of what do you expect, and/or hope, the player punishment will consist?
RE: Before final game, Gregg Williams urged Saints to injure 49ers - AsylumGuido - 04-09-2012 08:20 PM
(04-09-2012 08:10 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: Oh, and of what do you expect, and/or hope, the player punishment will consist?
BTW, this is an open question to all of you. Just curious. Good discussion point.
RE: Before final game, Gregg Williams urged Saints to injure 49ers - RockHoward - 04-09-2012 08:21 PM
(04-09-2012 08:08 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: Actually, the NFLPA does have a say in the matter if they so choose. It could get ugly. Why do you think they have brought in the lawyers? It is to make sure that the league (Goodell) doesn't do to the players what he did to Payton.
How do you know that? What if the outside lawyer was brought in to represent the viewpoint of the players who were targeted by the bounties?
RE: Before final game, Gregg Williams urged Saints to injure 49ers - AsylumGuido - 04-09-2012 08:28 PM
(04-09-2012 08:21 PM)RockHoward Wrote: How do you know that? What if the outside lawyer was brought in to represent the viewpoint of the players who were targeted by the bounties?
Come on. Get real. First, it wasn't a single lawyer. It was a firm that specializes in union based issues. And it isn't only to protect Saints players, it is to protect all players from Goodell. Many players have been coming out saying things right along the lines of what is being claimed. They are protecting the player base from unfair treatment being used to deflect the blame on the league. This isn't a player issue. This isn't a Saints issue. This isn't a team issue. This is a LEAGUE issue and they are scrambling to try to cover their asses.
RE: Before final game, Gregg Williams urged Saints to injure 49ers - TeamPlayer1 - 04-09-2012 08:32 PM
(04-09-2012 08:08 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: Actually, the NFLPA does have a say in the matter if they so choose. It could get ugly. Why do you think they have brought in the lawyers? It is to make sure that the league (Goodell) doesn't do to the players what he did to Payton.
The NFLPA brought in defense attorneys in case criminal charges were filed against the bounty players. The NFL penalties are not subject to judicial review unless these criminal charges are filed.
When N. Suh stomped the player's head no charges were filed so Goodell's punishment stood.
RE: Before final game, Gregg Williams urged Saints to injure 49ers - AsylumGuido - 04-09-2012 08:41 PM
(04-09-2012 08:32 PM)TeamPlayer1 Wrote: The NFLPA brought in defense attorneys in case criminal charges were filed against the bounty players. The NFL penalties are not subject to judicial review unless these criminal charges are filed.
When N. Suh stomped the player's head no charges were filed so Goodell's punishment stood.
They aren't defense attorneys that have been brought in by the NFLPA. They deal with union issues.
RE: Before final game, Gregg Williams urged Saints to injure 49ers - TeamPlayer1 - 04-09-2012 08:44 PM
(04-09-2012 08:41 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: They aren't defense attorneys that have been brought in by the NFLPA. They deal with union issues.
The contract is signed and approved by all parties and is a legal document. There is no "weasel room".
RE: Tru Dat by Sean Pamphilon - mdrake34 - 04-09-2012 09:42 PM
(04-09-2012 10:20 AM)AsylumGuido Wrote: Manning is still playing. It will probably be a few more years until he enters the coaching ranks.
Nice deflection. You seem so proud of the fact that your organization is totally dysfunctional. Your d-coordinator seemingly could do whatever he wanted? He bragged about a f*ck you clause in his contract? So it's ok that he did all that?
Get a grip dude. Regardless of what was in his contract he still had to answer to Payton, Loomis, and Benson. No matter what his contract said, he was lower in the food chain than them. And maybe the contract said he could run the defense how he wanted. I guarantee it had a criminal acts exclusion though.
RE: Before final game, Gregg Williams urged Saints to injure 49ers - JDaveG - 04-09-2012 10:49 PM
(04-09-2012 08:20 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: BTW, this is an open question to all of you. Just curious. Good discussion point.
Well I was hoping for something like this....
(04-05-2012 03:23 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: The fact is that this gives the basis for a reduction of the suspensions of Payton and Loomis and greatly lowers the potential blow to the players.
.....but then it turned out I was really wrong about the first so I'm going to ram my head up my ass and pretend the second will come true.
Oh wait, that's not me, that's you......