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RE: Tarkenton: Bounties Not Part Of The Game In Any Way - illmusic - 03-08-2012 10:51 PM
for people saying this is a terrible thing, what did you think of the d-rob eagle hits, and would yo0u be mad if our coaches promoted making receivers over the middle "pay"?
RE: Tarkenton: Bounties Not Part Of The Game In Any Way - Radical - 03-08-2012 11:18 PM
(03-08-2012 10:51 PM)illmusic Wrote: for people saying this is a terrible thing, what did you think of the d-rob eagle hits, and would yo0u be mad if our coaches promoted making receivers over the middle "pay"?
I thought they were fine, and I'm fine up until they start specifically telling our guys to literally attempt to injure players.
RE: Tarkenton: Bounties Not Part Of The Game In Any Way - Dale4Saul2Red0 - 03-08-2012 11:49 PM
People are still talking about the bounties as if it's the main issue. It isn't! Saints were asked to clean this up 3 years ago, said they would, and didn't. This is the main issue now folks. If the NFL doesn't put their foots on the Saints necks they are facing lawsuits, I guarantee it. Won't be the Saints getting sued, it will be the NFL. Anyone defending these actions or even trying to spin it to make it seem this isn't a serious issue doesn't understand it and hasn't taken the time to educate themselves with the facts.
RE: Tarkenton: Bounties Not Part Of The Game In Any Way - V Chip - 03-09-2012 01:50 AM
(03-08-2012 09:02 PM)Radical Wrote: Umm... yes it does. It proves the coaches encouraged it, and the players actively participated in it. What other kind of proof could possibly be needed?I guess this is one of those things like those 3D stereograms that were all the rage about 15 years ago -- once you see the distinction, it's obvious but until you do you think those who do see it are nuts.
In the end, the punishment will come from the appearance of impropriety and the fact that any pay for performance plan/system is against the rules unless part of the contract -- the appearance alone is bad enough to warrant harsh punishment. And to the same end that intention cannot be proven it also cannot be disproven, thus punishment has to be meted out.
RE: Tarkenton: Bounties Not Part Of The Game In Any Way - illmusic - 03-09-2012 05:13 AM
(03-08-2012 11:18 PM)Radical Wrote: I thought they were fine, and I'm fine up until they start specifically telling our guys to literally attempt to injure players.
and this is where I think people are taking summaries from other places and then condemning the players. As far as I know, the bounties were for taking a player out of the game. There was no indication to tear ACLs or go helmet to helmet, but to hit someone hard enough that they wanted to come out the game. Correct me if I'm wrong though, I can't promise I've read every report on this matter. So where is the moral line they crossed, beside the fact they sanctioned pay-outs for said hits? Because if our coaches aren't coaching that up, seeing players like Forte bounce right off Spoon makes more sense.
RE: Tarkenton: Bounties Not Part Of The Game In Any Way - Radical - 03-09-2012 08:05 AM
They were paying for "cart-offs." That doesn't happen when you just hit someone hard with a form tackle.
RE: Tarkenton: Bounties Not Part Of The Game In Any Way - AsylumGuido - 03-09-2012 06:44 PM
(03-09-2012 08:05 AM)Radical Wrote: They were paying for "cart-offs." That doesn't happen when you just hit someone hard with a form tackle.
Since this thing was for the most part player run, how do we know that it wasn't the players that came up with all of the reward requirements/categories? That said, they never paid anything for cart-offs. I have watched every minute of every game and the only players carted off the field were two Saints players.
RE: Tarkenton: Bounties Not Part Of The Game In Any Way - Radical - 03-09-2012 06:50 PM
Gregg Williams was the overhead on it, the coaches knew about it, the GM knew about it. They have already admitted that they put money up for cart-offs.
RE: Tarkenton: Bounties Not Part Of The Game In Any Way - phocis850 - 03-09-2012 06:55 PM
Do we all forget that this is the same team that took their own coach's leg out?
RE: Tarkenton: Bounties Not Part Of The Game In Any Way - V Chip - 03-09-2012 07:15 PM
(03-09-2012 06:50 PM)Radical Wrote: Gregg Williams was the overhead on it, the coaches knew about it, the GM knew about it. They have already admitted that they put money up for cart-offs.
Nobody has admitted this. Read the statements again. They are very specific in their language.
Greg Williams Wrote:"I want to express my sincere regret and apology to the NFL, Mr. Benson, and the New Orleans Saints fans for my participation in the
'pay for performance' program while I was with the Saints. It was a terrible mistake, and we knew it was wrong while we were doing it. Instead of getting caught up in it, I should have stopped it. I take full responsibility for my role. I am truly sorry. I have learned a hard lesson and I guarantee that I will never participate in or allow this kind of activity to happen again."
Sean Payton / Mickey Loomis Wrote:"We acknowledge that the violations disclosed by the NFL during their investigation of our club happened under our watch. We take full responsibility."
"This has brought undue hardship on Mr. Benson, who had nothing to do with this activity. He has been nothing but supportive and for that we both apologize to him."
"These are serious violations and we understand the negative impact it has had on our game. Both of us have made it clear within our organization that this will never happen again, and make that same promise to the NFL and most importantly to all of our fans."
Tom Benson Wrote:"I have been made aware of the NFL's findings relative to the "Bounty Rule" and how it relates to our club. I have offered and the NFL has received our full cooperation in their investigation. While the findings may be troubling, we look forward to putting this behind us and winning more championships in the future for our fans."
Those are lawyer-ese for "we acknowledge that something happened, but we don't admit what" and "we accept responsibility but don't admit that we took part or had knowledge."
Only Greg Williams' statement acknowledges a specific wrongdoing, but it's only "pay for performance" and not "pay for injuries."