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RE: I don't understand all the Dirk negativity-LONG READ - Paulitik - 01-16-2012 03:17 AM
(01-16-2012 02:54 AM)DaMeatTrough Wrote: I edited my original post in the second (I think paragraph). Who would you want as OC?I was on the Clements bandwagon. I would have been cool with a Ralph Friedgen type, Bill O'Brien (he got the Penn St gig though). Pretty much anyone from the Patriot/Ain'ts/Packer coaching trees, or at least someone with a WCO background. I was even open to a college coach.
Koetter's specialty is the passing game, and let's just say I didn't trust MM there. Nobody can say with certainty that he is the best guy for the job. Is it really Koetter that's worrying you, or the fact that he seemed to be hired extremely quickly?
I wasn't thrilled with the idea of Billick, and I was vehemently against Martz or anyone named Schottenheimer.
I want this offense to be built around what's best for Matt Ryan. I see nothing in Koetter's resume that shows him developing or making QBs improve. He actually made Blaine Gabbert worse than I think he really was.
My expectations are based off what was said in the press conference. Nothing about this hire tells me we are getting what we were told. We have a top 5 offense next year, and we win a couple playoff games, I'll change my tune. That said, I see no reason to be happy about this hire.
RE: I don't understand all the Dirk negativity-LONG READ - DemBirds - 01-16-2012 03:22 AM
(01-16-2012 02:59 AM)Peyton Wrote: Here is where the negativity comes from.Koetter may have lost his job because Del Rio couldn't get his team to play for him. Hue Jackson and Mike Zimmer were great coordinators but when Petrino left here, they got the shaft too. There's always more to the story that the stats.
Koetter just lost his job because his offense sucked. Maybe it wasn't his fault, but Jacksonville thought Mike Mularkey and Bob Bratkowski were an upgrade to run the offense.
Since most Falcons fans thought Mularkey was junk, the notion that we would replace him with the guy he just demoted is an obscene thought.
Really to me it was unthinkable, there is no way I thought this would happen.
RE: I don't understand all the Dirk negativity-LONG READ - Peyton - 01-16-2012 03:23 AM
Don't get me wrong. I think this guy is probably competent. I thought the Falcons were going to be shooting for great, and I definitely don't think he is great. I can't see any evidence of that.
RE: I don't understand all the Dirk negativity-LONG READ - DaMeatTrough - 01-16-2012 03:25 AM
(01-16-2012 03:23 AM)Peyton Wrote: Don't get me wrong. I think this guy is probably competent. I thought the Falcons were going to be shooting for great, and I definitely don't think he is great. I can't see any evidence of that.
The problem is that most "great" coaches don't want to be coordinators or are already retired or employed with other teams.
RE: I don't understand all the Dirk negativity-LONG READ - Paulitik - 01-16-2012 03:30 AM
(01-16-2012 03:23 AM)Peyton Wrote: Don't get me wrong. I think this guy is probably competent. I thought the Falcons were going to be shooting for great, and I definitely don't think he is great. I can't see any evidence of that.
I can see this team going anywhere from 8-8 to 10-6, but I don't see how this guy is going to get us over the top. That's what we were looking for. It would be different if Smitty was an offensive oriented coach looking for someone that shared his vision. But this guy is going to lead our offense, make play calls. I see nothing that tells me he can do that more competently than Mike Mularkey could.
RE: I don't understand all the Dirk negativity-LONG READ - RnB - 01-16-2012 03:30 AM
(01-16-2012 02:59 AM)Peyton Wrote: Here is where the negativity comes from.
Koetter just lost his job because his offense sucked. Maybe it wasn't his fault, but Jacksonville thought Mike Mularkey and Bob Bratkowski were an upgrade to run the offense.
Since most Falcons fans thought Mularkey was junk, the notion that we would replace him with the guy he just demoted is an obscene thought.
Really to me it was unthinkable, there is no way I thought this would happen.
You would think that someone who was perfectly happy with how MM handled our offense, like me, would be even MORE pissed than people who didn't like MM. However, that line of reasoning just makes no sense to me and I am not pissed about our OC hire. I am a bit concerned that the hire happened so quickly and we didn't interview anyone else, but there could be many reasons why that happened, some of them not negative at all.
The fact is, Koetter suffered through a severe implosion of the Jaguars last season and the performance of that team made that downfall obvious. Saying he was demoted when an offensive HC was hired and wanted to bring in someone that shared his offensive vision is disingenuous and smacks of reaching for straws to discredit the hire. Attempting to put the two coaches in the same framework when the reasons why they left their respective teams (two teams that are distinctly different in stability, performance, and talent level) are nowhere close to being similar. Not only that, but their offensive philosophies are completely different than each other's, something the detractors of MM should be ecstatic about.
He was hired by an Owner, GM, and HC that have given us four of the most successful seasons this franchise has ever seen. These same people have consistently made more good choices than bad, and it shows by our success over the past four years and the glut of talent we have on our roster.
When you put it all in that light, it is just laughable and very hard to take these ciriticisms seriously. He could be fucking terrible and we could go 0-16 next season or we could go 16-0 and win a championship. The situation he is in now is probably the best opportunity he has ever had in his nearly three decades of coaching. Giving someone of his pedigree, despite the catastrophe that was the Jacksonville Jaguars last season, the benefit of the doubt should not be all that difficult.
RE: I don't understand all the Dirk negativity-LONG READ - Paulitik - 01-16-2012 03:33 AM
(01-16-2012 03:25 AM)DaMeatTrough Wrote: The problem is that most "great" coaches don't want to be coordinators or are already retired or employed with other teams.
Then why not go after the assistants of the great coaches? Sorry, but that makes more sense than hiring a guy who's been given opportunity after opportunity and had mixed to bad results every time. None of his successes at Boise, ASU, or Jackosnville say that this is the guy that can beat the Saints or the Packers.
RE: I don't understand all the Dirk negativity-LONG READ - vel - 01-16-2012 03:33 AM
(01-16-2012 03:23 AM)Peyton Wrote: Don't get me wrong. I think this guy is probably competent. I thought the Falcons were going to be shooting for great, and I definitely don't think he is great. I can't see any evidence of that.
How is he supposed to show how good his offense can be when the best QB he had was Garrard and a group of #2 and #3 WRs? McCarthy's offense ranked 32nd with Alex Smith running it. Nobody pegged him to be the next great GB coach in 2005. Their fans even reacted the same when GB hired him as their HEAD coach, not just OC.
Most of the "great" coaches failed miserably somewhere. They all weren't successful and then just retired. Even Bill Walsh sucked
RE: I don't understand all the Dirk negativity-LONG READ - DaMeatTrough - 01-16-2012 03:34 AM
(01-16-2012 03:30 AM)RnB Wrote: You would think that someone who was perfectly happy with how MM handled our offense, like me, would be even MORE pissed than people who didn't like MM. However, that line of reasoning just makes no sense to me and I am not pissed about our OC hire. I am a bit concerned that the hire happened so quickly and we didn't interview anyone else, but there could be many reasons why that happened, some of them not negative at all.
The fact is, Koetter suffered through a severe implosion of the Jaguars last season and the performance of that team made that downfall obvious. Saying he was demoted when an offensive HC was hired and wanted to bring in someone that shared his offensive vision is disingenuous and smacks of reaching for straws to discredit the hire. Attempting to put the two coaches in the same framework when the reasons why they left their respective teams (two teams that are distinctly different in stability, performance, and talent level) are nowhere close to being similar. Not only that, but their offensive philosophies are completely different than each other's, something the detractors of MM should be ecstatic about.
He was hired by an Owner, GM, and HC that have given us four of the most successful seasons this franchise has ever seen. These same people have consistently made more good choices than bad, and it shows by our success over the past four years and the glut of talent we have on our roster.
When you put it all in that light, it is just laughable and very hard to take these ciriticisms seriously. He could be fucking terrible and we could go 0-16 next season or we could go 16-0 and win a championship. The situation he is in now is probably the best opportunity he has ever had in his nearly three decades of coaching. Giving someone of his pedigree, despite the catastrophe that was the Jacksonville Jaguars last season, the benefit of the doubt should not be all that difficult.
+1
RE: I don't understand all the Dirk negativity-LONG READ - Peyton - 01-16-2012 03:37 AM
(01-16-2012 03:33 AM)vel Wrote: How is he supposed to show how good his offense can be when the best QB he had was Garrard and a group of #2 and #3 WRs? McCarthy's offense ranked 32nd with Alex Smith running it. Nobody pegged him to be the next great GB coach in 2005. Their fans even reacted the same when GB hired him as their HEAD coach, not just OC.
Most of the "great" coaches failed miserably somewhere. They all weren't successful and then just retired. Even Bill Walsh sucked
What I learned from your post is that getting a future sure fire HOF QB is the key to the Falcons future success.
It often is.