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RE: Mike Mularkey is an candidate for the Jags Head Coaching job - Radical - 12-06-2011 08:41 PM
(12-06-2011 09:14 AM)phocis850 Wrote: He continually fails to provide the best options for his players.
And again, if we have guys open, WTF more does Mularkey need to do?
Guys are running open, and the job isn't getting done, and that's on Matt Ryan and the receivers.
RE: Mike Mularkey is an candidate for the Jags Head Coaching job - illmusic - 12-06-2011 08:52 PM
but is a receiver open 30 yards down the field the best option for Matt Ryan?
RE: Mike Mularkey is an candidate for the Jags Head Coaching job - Radical - 12-06-2011 09:23 PM
(12-06-2011 08:52 PM)illmusic Wrote: but is a receiver open 30 yards down the field the best option for Matt Ryan?
A NFL QB has to be able to hit that more times than not.
RE: Mike Mularkey is an candidate for the Jags Head Coaching job - Beef - 12-06-2011 09:31 PM
(12-06-2011 08:41 PM)Radical Wrote: And again, if we have guys open, WTF more does Mularkey need to do?
Guys are running open, and the job isn't getting done, and that's on Matt Ryan and the receivers.
I really do wish I believed in Mularkey, but every time I start to re-think my position on him, I watch some other good teams play and I immediately realize that their plays are better designed and the play-calling during games, along with adjustments at halftime, are simply superior to ours.
I completely understand that Rodgers is having probably the greatest QB season in history, but you know a big part of the reason for that? His receivers are open a lot, I can't hardly guess what play is coming next, and the plays being called are nearly perfect for each particular situation. The matchups are to GB's advantage more times than not, and they are exploiting weaknesses on nearly every down.
The entire GB offensive machine is simply run better than I've ever seen ours run, and it's not all Rodgers. I think Rodgers is at the pinnacle he's at right now because everything around him has run so perfectly for so long, it's just easier.
The Falcon's offense simply doesn't have that "it" factor going on. There's insane amounts of talent, but it's still "hard" to make it work right or appear like an effortless machine. And I'm to the point where I can just flat out clearly see that our plays are poorly designed, it's too easy to guess what's coming next, we make very poor adjustments at halftime, and most plays feel forced rather than appropriate.
So whoever's job it is to change that perception and fix the eyeball test comparisons so we look and feel like a machine on easy-mode, that's where we need a change IMO. If that's MM, then so be it. Right now it just feels like we're pissing away incredible talent that should be so much better.
RE: Mike Mularkey is an candidate for the Jags Head Coaching job - illmusic - 12-06-2011 09:32 PM
iunno...it's much easier to tailor make your offense around your QB, rather than tailor make your QB around your offense...right now we're fighting past experience with the thought that Matt Ryan will one day just start hitting guys with the throws he takes down the field...
RE: Mike Mularkey is an candidate for the Jags Head Coaching job - Beef - 12-06-2011 09:44 PM
(12-06-2011 09:32 PM)illmusic Wrote: iunno...it's much easier to tailor make your offense around your QB, rather than tailor make your QB around your offense...right now we're fighting past experience with the thought that Matt Ryan will one day just start hitting guys with the throws he takes down the field...
I believe that it's not even close to all Ryan's fault for missing long throws.
I think we have way too many timing throws in our playbook. The 1st and 3rd play against Houston were both timing throws. But both receivers were jammed on the line and slightly knocked off their routes and slowed down by about a second.
Now one of the reasons for this is because our OL is hot garbage and Matt almost never has the time he deserves to throw a deep ball "leading the target into open space". Instead, he simply takes his drop and chucks it up where the receiver is supposed to be if he's on time and on course.
But then THAT also comes down to play design and plays being called at the appropriate time. Which like I've said, I don't think we are very good at. So we're stuck with timing throws and the strong possibility of them looking like over-throws. If I were a DC, I'd make damn sure every Falcon receiver was jammed on the line in passing situations and then I'd cheat my safeties back and hope for the timing throw.
It's pretty damn easy to tell when we're going to run it or throw it too. And sorry but that's not all Matt's fault.
RE: Mike Mularkey is an candidate for the Jags Head Coaching job - Radical - 12-06-2011 09:55 PM
(12-06-2011 09:44 PM)Beef Wrote: I believe that it's not even close to all Ryan's fault for missing long throws.
And that's where you've lost me completely. For every deep throw? No. If there is a guy running open down field though, Ryan has to complete those more times than not, and right now he's amongst the worst in the league.
RE: Mike Mularkey is an candidate for the Jags Head Coaching job - Statick - 12-06-2011 11:29 PM
(12-06-2011 06:21 PM)Jimusmc Wrote: please god
let MM get the fuck outta here please
Cosign!
RE: Mike Mularkey is an candidate for the Jags Head Coaching job - Beef - 12-06-2011 11:40 PM
(12-06-2011 09:55 PM)Radical Wrote: And that's where you've lost me completely. For every deep throw? No. If there is a guy running open down field though, Ryan has to complete those more times than not, and right now he's amongst the worst in the league.
So you don't think his struggling accuracy could have anything to do with:
1. lost confidence in OL
2. afraid of getting pummeled (and injured) because he knows he has very little time
3. poor route design
4. supposed to be a timing throw/route
5. pass play called at inappropriate time, defense has it covered before it's even snapped (ie. predictibility)
6. defenders jamming receivers on the line
7. he's about to be sacked and has to release the ball earlier than he should
I mean there are lots of factors that can go into him over-throwing and I very often see 3 or 4 of these things being a problem on any given pass play.
Yes, sometimes he just makes a bad inaccurate throw. But we've all seen him thread a needle with the ball short and deep many times too. It's not like he can't do it. I'd bet my life on it that if he were the one playing up in GB, he wouldn't be remotely close to as inaccurate as he's been here.
RE: Mike Mularkey is an candidate for the Jags Head Coaching job - Radical - 12-07-2011 12:09 AM
(12-06-2011 11:40 PM)Beef Wrote: So you don't think his struggling accuracy could have anything to do with:
1. lost confidence in OL
2. afraid of getting pummeled (and injured) because he knows he has very little time
3. poor route design
4. supposed to be a timing throw/route
5. pass play called at inappropriate time, defense has it covered before it's even snapped (ie. predictibility)
6. defenders jamming receivers on the line
7. he's about to be sacked and has to release the ball earlier than he should
I mean there are lots of factors that can go into him over-throwing and I very often see 3 or 4 of these things being a problem on any given pass play.
Yes, sometimes he just makes a bad inaccurate throw. But we've all seen him thread a needle with the ball short and deep many times too. It's not like he can't do it. I'd bet my life on it that if he were the one playing up in GB, he wouldn't be remotely close to as inaccurate as he's been here.
Just going off the Houston game.
1. Doubt it, but that's no excuse. It didn't stop Manning or Rodgers when they were getting beat up at various times in their careers. It hurt their stats at times, but they didn't let that change them. Look at the first two wide open deep throws he missed against Houston.
2. Goes back to two.
3. Again, if the receiver is open, the OC has done more than enough.
4. That's between the QB and the WR.
5. Again, the WR is wide open.
6. Between the QB and the WR.
7. Wasn't the issue.
Ryan shares responsibility in our inability to successfully complete the deep pass. I misread your original statement. No, I don't believe it is ALL Ryan's fault, but he does share plenty of blame here.