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RE: I think we are being feed a bunch of bullshit by Falcons management - Gritz - 03-10-2011 12:25 PM

(03-10-2011 12:16 PM)g-dawg Wrote:  What was the description that one scout said of Peria Jerry coming out of Ole Miss?:

"A bundling battle of butcher knives"

.....it was something like thatBig Grin

It was Ross Tucker, writer for Sports Illustrated.

He called Peria Jerry “a rolling bucket of butcher knives.”

Shit, I hope he reverts to that description next year.

He was like that at Ole Miss.


RE: I think we are being feed a bunch of bullshit by Falcons management - Swift Is a Die Hard - 03-10-2011 12:45 PM

(03-10-2011 09:47 AM)g-dawg Wrote:  in fairness, one reason why none of those sacks occurred was because only one player was close to the QB - those type sacks get missed all the time. Most teams have several players pressuring the QB - last few years all we get is one guy close to the QB.

Falcons could have gotten every one of those sacks and still lost that game by 20 points. Falcons are not just missing sacks, they are not disrupting the QB's timing either.


Yep . The Packers playoff game was not about missed sacks or lack of pressure . The dline should have had got there licks in on Rodgers but he was also picking apart our secondary and anyone who said we are revamped or even trust our defense is kidding there self . Our secondary isn't good by any means , Dunta Robinson is a overpaid medicore DB . Grimes while being a pro bowl and our best secondary player can be take. Advantage of due to his height and pushed around by bigger wrs . He had a great year no doubt love that dude but he isn't in same breathe as a guy like Revis or Nnamdi . Plus our S are young and our LBs can't cover . I don't see how this defense can help us win a championship I just don't see it with the soft zone bull shit and lack of pass rush outside a aging Abe and LBs that can't cover . I wouldn't trust this defense vs a top notch QB and that to me is TD doing a poor job revamping this defense and building it to win a chip


RE: I think we are being feed a bunch of bullshit by Falcons management - g-dawg - 03-10-2011 01:09 PM

(03-10-2011 12:45 PM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  Yep . The Packers playoff game was not about missed sacks or lack of pressure . The dline should have had got there licks in on Rodgers but he was also picking apart our secondary and anyone who said we are revamped or even trust our defense is kidding there self . Our secondary isn't good by any means , Dunta Robinson is a overpaid medicore DB . Grimes while being a pro bowl and our best secondary player can be take. Advantage of due to his height and pushed around by bigger wrs . He had a great year no doubt love that dude but he isn't in same breathe as a guy like Revis or Nnamdi . Plus our S are young and our LBs can't cover . I don't see how this defense can help us win a championship I just don't see it with the soft zone bull shit and lack of pass rush outside a aging Abe and LBs that can't cover . I wouldn't trust this defense vs a top notch QB and that to me is TD doing a poor job revamping this defense and building it to win a chip

Swifty,

I think the defensive secondary argument is unwinnable on both sides just because of the lack of pass rush. I am inclined to agree w/ you that our secondary is suspect but we play the soft coverage due to the lack of pass rush.

I would really like to see a legitimate "big boy" passrush by our beloved Falcons and see how much better the secondary can be.

Are there really that many more talented cornerbacks in the NFL than Dunta/Grimes? Both of those guys have some talent.

Quick, without looking - tell me who the cornerbacks are for these teams:

NFL Pass Defense Rankings - 2010:
San Diego Chargers (#1)
Buffalo Bills (#3)
NY Giants (#9)
Minnesota Vikings (#10)
Indianapolis Colts (#13)
Detroit Lions (#16) - Chris Houston, need I say more?
St. Louis Rams (#19)
Atlanta Falcons (#22)

None of those teams have appreciably better cornerbacks than do the Atlanta Falcons in Brent Grimes and Dunta Robinson - i'm sure some of you will know some of these cornerbacks but you get my drift - no marquee names in those secondaries at the cornerback position. The difference is all those guys have better pass rushing than the Falcons


RE: I think we are being feed a bunch of bullshit by Falcons management - Swift Is a Die Hard - 03-10-2011 01:16 PM

G dawg I'm with you and always stated a great pass rush can make avg corners look good . The thing is TD is stubborn just like any man in his position would be . Were more then likely going to go into next season with Abe and Bierman and same interior d line . Now while some people are high on Bierman I'm not is he a serviceable player without a doubt is he a full time starter I have my doubts . Bierman really only had 1 good game this year where he stood out now since Td drafted him and the likes of Bierman he is not going to go against his thought process of letting them develop . I will see by TD actions this off season is he is serious player personnel guy where he can correct his mistakes or he just to stubborn to make a change . There is no doubt in my mind we should bring in a FA DE while still be able to develop Bierman and Sidbury who rarely saw field or is Td going to stand pat with same dline


RE: I think we are being feed a bunch of bullshit by Falcons management - g-dawg - 03-10-2011 01:27 PM

(03-10-2011 01:16 PM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  G dawg I'm with you and always stated a great pass rush can make avg corners look good . The thing is TD is stubborn just like any man in his position would be . Were more then likely going to go into next season with Abe and Bierman and same interior d line . Now while some people are high on Bierman I'm not is he a serviceable player without a doubt is he a full time starter I have my doubts . Bierman really only had 1 good game this year where he stood out now since Td drafted him and the likes of Bierman he is not going to go against his thought process of letting them develop . I will see by TD actions this off season is he is serious player personnel guy where he can correct his mistakes or he just to stubborn to make a change . There is no doubt in my mind we should bring in a FA DE while still be able to develop Bierman and Sidbury who rarely saw field or is Td going to stand pat with same dline

I think Falcons need to draft a pass rushing D-End, sign a pass-rushing D-End in free agency and draft a 4-3 SLB who has blitz/pass-rush talent as well. There is a reason why the New York Giants had Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyora, and Mathias Kiwanuka last year and still drafted Jason Pierre-Paul. Pass rushing is what makes the defense go and gets you off the field. I'm not sure I can name many cornerbacks in the history of NY Giant football - but there defense is consistently great for 20 years due to pass rushing.

G-Dawg's 2010 Falcons Defensive Offseason:
1) Sign Charles Johnson, DE-Carolina Panthers - I know he got tendered but he will most likely be available when new CBA is signed. If he is willing to test free agency and not just re-sign with Panthers, I think the Falcons would go for him and he would be a perfect fit.

2) Draft Justin Houston, DE-Georgia - he's not a project and is bigger, badder, better than Sidbury and Bierrman - will get at least 5 sacks his rookie year.

3) Draft K.J. Wright(MSU) or Mark Herzlich(BC) to play strongside linebacker. Both of these guys are 6'4" and have pass-rush ability and are aggressive.

If we got those 3 guys our pass rush would be much, much better and BVG would start playing more man/press coverage and we could blitz more often with say Sean Weatherspoon and K.J. Wright - all of a sudden offensive coordinators would have a lot more to think about when playing the Falcons.


Defensive Front 7:
RDE-John Abraham/Justin Houston/Lawrence Sidbury
UT-Jonathan Babineaux/Vance Walker
NT-Peria Jerry/Corey Peters
LDE-Charles Johnson/Kroy Bierrman

WLB-Sean Weatherspoon/Spencer Adkins
MLB-Curtis Lofton/Mike Peterson
SLB-K.J. Wright/Coy Wire

For those of you thinking right now, "Why draft Justin Houston to be a back-up?" Well, he would not be a back-up, he would rotate in with John Abraham and Abe is near the end despite his production - at best we get two more years out of him - and this could be his last year - I think it probably is the end of the contract.

Falcons have their pass-rushing bookends for next 5-6 years in Charles Johnson and Justin Houston - and "yes" its just a coincidence that they are both DAWGS!Big Grin


RE: I think we are being feed a bunch of bullshit by Falcons management - cooperbh - 03-10-2011 01:32 PM

(03-10-2011 12:25 PM)Gritblitzer Wrote:  It was Ross Tucker, writer for Sports Illustrated.

He called Peria Jerry “a rolling bucket of butcher knives.”

Shit, I hope he reverts to that description next year.

He was like that at Ole Miss.

I highly doubt that. As Swifty has proven by citing that one playoff loss ad nauseum, TD would never have drafted a player back then who flashed such explosiveness. As with all of TD's picks, Jerry was selected for his steady, solid-not-spectacular style of play and for being a choirboy.

Same with William Moore, who was not drafted for the big hitting ability he displayed in college nor his 11 INTs, four of which were returned for TDs. Obviously, it was Moore's wonderlic score that sold TD on him.

And don't forget Harry Douglas, who, at 6'0" 180 lbs with a 4.3 forty time, was clearly drafted to be just another lumbering posession receiver that TD covets so much.

Don't be fooled folks - TD hates explosive playmakers. And now that he is suddenly going around talking about needing more explosive plays, that makes him a liar as well incompetent.

In Swift we trust.


RE: I think we are being feed a bunch of bullshit by Falcons management - g-dawg - 03-10-2011 01:41 PM

(03-10-2011 01:32 PM)cooperbh Wrote:  I highly doubt that. As Swifty has proven by citing that one playoff loss ad nauseum, TD would never have drafted a player back then who flashed such explosiveness. As with all of TD's picks, Jerry was selected for his steady, solid-not-spectacular style of play and for being a choirboy.

Same with William Moore, who was not drafted for the big hitting ability he displayed in college nor his 11 INTs, four of which were returned for TDs. Obviously, it was Moore's wonderlic score that sold TD on him.

And don't forget Harry Douglas, who, at 6'0" 180 lbs with a 4.3 forty time, was clearly drafted to be just another lumbering posession receiver that TD covets so much.

Don't be fooled folks - TD hates explosive playmakers. And now that he is suddenly going around talking about needing more explosive plays, that makes him a liar as well incompetent.

In Swift we trust.

that is a decent retort to swifty, cooper......however go back and check Harry Douglas' size and 40 time - you missed that badly.


RE: I think we are being feed a bunch of bullshit by Falcons management - ggp - 03-10-2011 01:55 PM

(03-10-2011 01:16 PM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  G dawg I'm with you and always stated a great pass rush can make avg corners look good . The thing is TD is stubborn just like any man in his position would be . Were more then likely going to go into next season with Abe and Bierman and same interior d line . Now while some people are high on Bierman I'm not is he a serviceable player without a doubt is he a full time starter I have my doubts . Bierman really only had 1 good game this year where he stood out now since Td drafted him and the likes of Bierman he is not going to go against his thought process of letting them develop . I will see by TD actions this off season is he is serious player personnel guy where he can correct his mistakes or he just to stubborn to make a change . There is no doubt in my mind we should bring in a FA DE while still be able to develop Bierman and Sidbury who rarely saw field or is Td going to stand pat with same dline


I don't see TD's actions as mistakes that need to be corrected. The team has made strong strides in three seasons and I believe that TD will continue to make improvements to the roster. It is clear that our first priority is to add a significant pass rusher. But, what if we can not sign a good free agent DE? What if there is a run on DE's before our pick and TD can not make a trade up? These things happen. It is a part of the real world. TD will have to make the most of the situation.

A championship team is never created in three seasons. This team was in shambles when Petrino left. Today, the Falcons are in far better condition with a future that looks optimistic. That kind of turn around is rare.


RE: I think we are being feed a bunch of bullshit by Falcons management - ggp - 03-10-2011 01:59 PM

(03-10-2011 01:27 PM)g-dawg Wrote:  I think Falcons need to draft a pass rushing D-End, sign a pass-rushing D-End in free agency and draft a 4-3 SLB who has blitz/pass-rush talent as well. There is a reason why the New York Giants had Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyora, and Mathias Kiwanuka last year and still drafted Jason Pierre-Paul. Pass rushing is what makes the defense go and gets you off the field. I'm not sure I can name many cornerbacks in the history of NY Giant football - but there defense is consistently great for 20 years due to pass rushing.

G-Dawg's 2010 Falcons Defensive Offseason:
1) Sign Charles Johnson, DE-Carolina Panthers - I know he got tendered but he will most likely be available when new CBA is signed. If he is willing to test free agency and not just re-sign with Panthers, I think the Falcons would go for him and he would be a perfect fit.

2) Draft Justin Houston, DE-Georgia - he's not a project and is bigger, badder, better than Sidbury and Bierrman - will get at least 5 sacks his rookie year.

3) Draft K.J. Wright(MSU) or Mark Herzlich(BC) to play strongside linebacker. Both of these guys are 6'4" and have pass-rush ability and are aggressive.

If we got those 3 guys our pass rush would be much, much better and BVG would start playing more man/press coverage and we could blitz more often with say Sean Weatherspoon and K.J. Wright - all of a sudden offensive coordinators would have a lot more to think about when playing the Falcons.


Defensive Front 7:
RDE-John Abraham/Justin Houston/Lawrence Sidbury
UT-Jonathan Babineaux/Vance Walker
NT-Peria Jerry/Corey Peters
LDE-Charles Johnson/Kroy Bierrman

WLB-Sean Weatherspoon/Spencer Adkins
MLB-Curtis Lofton/Mike Peterson
SLB-K.J. Wright/Coy Wire

For those of you thinking right now, "Why draft Justin Houston to be a back-up?" Well, he would not be a back-up, he would rotate in with John Abraham and Abe is near the end despite his production - at best we get two more years out of him - and this could be his last year - I think it probably is the end of the contract.

Falcons have their pass-rushing bookends for next 5-6 years in Charles Johnson and Justin Houston - and "yes" its just a coincidence that they are both DAWGS!Big Grin

I like the plan. My guess is that TD likes the plan as well. However, I can not see how Ron Rivera, a defensive coach, will allow Johnson to sign elsewhere without a fight. Remember that most people prefer to stay put. Johnson has probably made a nice life for himself at the Panthers' locker room. It may take more than we can afford to pry him away.


RE: I think we are being feed a bunch of bullshit by Falcons management - g-dawg - 03-10-2011 02:01 PM

(03-10-2011 01:55 PM)ggp Wrote:  I don't see TD's actions as mistakes that need to be corrected. The team has made strong strides in three seasons and I believe that TD will continue to make improvements to the roster. It is clear that our first priority is to add a significant pass rusher. But, what if we can not sign a good free agent DE? What if there is a run on DE's before our pick and TD can not make a trade up? These things happen. It is a part of the real world. TD will have to make the most of the situation.

A championship team is never created in three seasons. This team was in shambles when Petrino left. Today, the Falcons are in far better condition with a future that looks optimistic. That kind of turn around is rare.

I agree.....we are on the right path - the weaknesses in this team are glaring and Thomas Dimitroff knows what they are. We are at least to the point now of having weak areas instead of just being a weak team. Its good to be - as Dimitroff always says - "needs-based" because this means you actually have enough talent overall on a team to have specific need areas instead of just "taking the best player because we need everything" - I remember those days, you do too, huh?

Pass rush, pass rush, pass rush, explosive WR play, explosive RB play, and tougher/tighter corner coverage - those are our "needs".