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Pro Bowl... 5 stars - caver50 - 01-31-2011 08:20 AM
I only had the chance to see the first half, but our birds ruled the day. Ryan actually
looked like he was having fun out there. Oh yeah, don't even think about throwing to Grimes side, you got that mr. Manning.
RE: Pro Bowl... 5 stars - FullMetalFalcon23 - 01-31-2011 08:55 AM
(01-31-2011 08:20 AM)caver50 Wrote: I only had the chance to see the first half, but our birds ruled the day. Ryan actually
looked like he was having fun out there. Oh yeah, don't even think about throwing to Grimes side, you got that mr. Manning.
Hmm, a prelude of the fixture next season me thinks. Also I know it was only 30 yards but did you see Matt drop that pass in to Fitz, you could see that he went for touch and still gave the guy space to make the play pretty much contested. IMO it looked effortless on Matt's part. Really enjoyed yesterday
RE: Pro Bowl... 5 stars - monoxide - 01-31-2011 09:28 AM
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GRIMEY!!!!!
RE: Pro Bowl... 5 stars - Swift Is a Die Hard - 01-31-2011 09:42 AM
(01-31-2011 08:55 AM)FullMetalFalcon23 Wrote: Hmm, a prelude of the fixture next season me thinks. Also I know it was only 30 yards but did you see Matt drop that pass in to Fitz, you could see that he went for touch and still gave the guy space to make the play pretty much contested. IMO it looked effortless on Matt's part. Really enjoyed yesterday
did you see the terrible throw his first pass of game to a Miles Austin running down field open and guess what Ryan underthrew a DEEP BALL ?
that 30 yard pass to Fitz should have been in the back part of end zone . He allowed the corner to get back into play . Luckily Fitz has the best body control as a wr in the game and attacks ball at its highest point . Cant say it was a great throw cause corner got back into place and Fitz had to stop
Credit Ryan gave his wr a chance to make a play and he did but was not a good throw at all
RE: Pro Bowl... 5 stars - JDaveG - 01-31-2011 10:35 AM
(01-31-2011 09:42 AM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote: did you see the terrible throw his first pass of game to a Miles Austin running down field open and guess what Ryan underthrew a DEEP BALL ?
that 30 yard pass to Fitz should have been in the back part of end zone . He allowed the corner to get back into play . Luckily Fitz has the best body control as a wr in the game and attacks ball at its highest point . Cant say it was a great throw cause corner got back into place and Fitz had to stop
Credit Ryan gave his wr a chance to make a play and he did but was not a good throw at all
If I can paraphrase President Lyndon Johnson, if Matt Ryan walked on water, your next post would be "Atlanta QB can't swim...."
RE: Pro Bowl... 5 stars - FullMetalFalcon23 - 01-31-2011 11:12 AM
(01-31-2011 09:42 AM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote: did you see the terrible throw his first pass of game to a Miles Austin running down field open and guess what Ryan underthrew a DEEP BALL ?
that 30 yard pass to Fitz should have been in the back part of end zone . He allowed the corner to get back into play . Luckily Fitz has the best body control as a wr in the game and attacks ball at its highest point . Cant say it was a great throw cause corner got back into place and Fitz had to stop
Credit Ryan gave his wr a chance to make a play and he did but was not a good throw at all
Dude, Ryan under throws and over throws, I went back and looked a what I could of some of the passes he threw at BC, a lot of them were deep balls with both zing and touch. I'm not saying he doesn't throw stinkers. every QB does, all the AFC QB's got picked off.
Now on that Ryan to Fitz TD, I'll counter you with one thing. Fitz didn't come back to that ball, he didn't have to run to the back of the end zone to catch it either it was put in a place where only he was gonna catch it on that jump ball.
I will say this about Matt I have not seen him work a deep ball yet in the pros, I see him blast short and middles like he is tryna hit the receiver with the ball but that same action is not there on deep ball., as someone who has studied QB's form a coaching point of view and knows a good deal about throwing motions. His technique is a percentage strong one, its controlled it is not a wild throw when he throws deep he brings it straight up and brings it back down. What I would like to see is if he can maintain that motion and generate a more aggressive pass, or whether he would use, has been taught to throw what my coaching teacher called a Thor's Hammer style throw, which is similar to what he throws with now, except with far more effort.
I spent some time with Coach Reinebold, whilst he was here in the UK, and one thing that he has long held is the furthest a QB needs to throw the ball is 40 yards. However he throws it whether with touch or a strong determined long ball 40 yards is the furthest because if your receiver has not beaten a defense after 40 yards he is never gonna beat them. I agree to an extent with that philosophy most of the deep balls won in the NFL are won long before the QB chooses to throw that ball, and with the right person on the end of it, it can go even further.
Matt hasn't had the opportunity to do this in games regularly because of the style of O we run we're not all that concerned with balls downfield and I think that has helped to moderate turn overs. Taking long shots unless you have a sure thing for a true deep ball is a risk.
My opinion is that Matt can throw that deep ball and throw it well, but what he is struggling with is the consistency, its one thing throwing that ball in a training environment but another in game time situation. Either we bring in someone who he can hit long in games, or we bring in someone who will force defenses to choose who they try and take away leaving Roddy with the opportunity to go deep which is something he does very well considering he successfully beats opponents with less field to work with than 40 yards. In my opinion it is on Matt to develop consistency on the long ball not developing the long ball itself
RE: Pro Bowl... 5 stars - Swift Is a Die Hard - 01-31-2011 11:32 AM
Its not the consistency ..Its lack of arm . Lack of touch and accuracy and poor mechanics . He lobs ball up in air . and when he needs to make a long 30+ throw playoff game and is late he doesnt have the zip or balls behind it to get it in that window . He lobs ball off back foot ball stays in air way to long . He also over compensates his lack of arm by trying to put air under ball thinking it will go further or drop and in all reality it doesnt work like that in the NFL ..maybe college but most corners and safety's get back in position
Ryan needs to work on
1)mechanics
2)Loft on ball .. instead of lofting ball in air he has to get in a confined space that has low level ceilings and throw ball ..This will help the launch angle and get his ball down .
3) His arm ..It needs improvement . so he should bulk up a lil and grow into his body .
RE: Pro Bowl... 5 stars - FullMetalFalcon23 - 01-31-2011 12:19 PM
(01-31-2011 11:32 AM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote: Its not the consistency ..Its lack of arm . Lack of touch and accuracy and poor mechanics . He lobs ball up in air . and when he needs to make a long 30+ throw playoff game and is late he doesnt have the zip or balls behind it to get it in that window . He lobs ball off back foot ball stays in air way to long . He also over compensates his lack of arm by trying to put air under ball thinking it will go further or drop and in all reality it doesnt work like that in the NFL ..maybe college but most corners and safety's get back in position
Ryan needs to work on
1)mechanics
2)Loft on ball .. instead of lofting ball in air he has to get in a confined space that has low level ceilings and throw ball ..This will help the launch angle and get his ball down .
3) His arm ..It needs improvement . so he should bulk up a lil and grow into his body .
I find your comment on touch and accuracy ridiculous if anything he is more touch and accuracy and not enough power/ aggression.
I agree he needs to bulk up but from year 1 to now go back and look at him, they have already been doing that, and will continue to. As far as loft is concerned I think his loft gets away from him at times, but were he to take your low ceiling approach a lot of passes that he made would be picked off. Again here is where consistency is an issue, knowing when to use what throw. You wan't to drop that fade ball in, throwing it with a low ceiling it will stand a bigger chance of getting picked. On the one where Jenkins slipped considering a force out would have stopped a TD, he should have put a low ceiling on it to get it there quicker (and he has done that this year) considering Jenkins had won and Williams at that point had his back turned.
RE: Pro Bowl... 5 stars - papachaz - 01-31-2011 12:20 PM
(01-31-2011 10:35 AM)JDaveG Wrote: If I can paraphrase President Lyndon Johnson, if Matt Ryan walked on water, your next post would be "Atlanta QB can't swim...."
this is probably the absolute BEST and most accurate description of swifts opinion of our QB. plus one JDaveG
RE: Pro Bowl... 5 stars - juraitwaluzka - 01-31-2011 01:08 PM
Did anyone notice Ryan on the sideline after the TD to Fitzgerald? He was all excited, like a kid in a candy store with a gleam in his eye. It's like he was thinking "I didn't know receivers could do that!". I know it's probably just a dream but I think that's just a glimpse of what he could do for our offense. And for Swift, you can't deny that there would be no one better at turning the "bad throws" into big plays than Larry Fitzgerald.