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RE: My Bleacher Report Article - Radical - 01-17-2011 04:27 PM
(01-17-2011 04:21 PM)Gritblitzer Wrote: When it comes to their performance on the "big stage" I think the argument can be made that they are remarkably similar to Falcon teams from the past....
Their record and performance during the regular season clearly separates them from my or your daddy's Falcons....It's demonstrably better.
But we all know (or should at this point) that the regular season isn't necessarily where your stature or reputation grows and solidifies.
It's what you do in the playoffs.
So what are you saying Gritz? Are you saying that under this owner/gm/coaching staff that we will never win in the play-offs?
RE: My Bleacher Report Article - =abrahamburger= - 01-17-2011 04:30 PM
Let's face it; It's a SuperBowl victory or nothing.
RE: My Bleacher Report Article - Gritz - 01-17-2011 04:47 PM
(01-17-2011 04:27 PM)Radical Wrote: So what are you saying Gritz? Are you saying that under this owner/gm/coaching staff that we will never win in the play-offs?
No, I don't think I said that anywhere.....either in the article or in this thread. Logic and common sense would tell me that if Dimitroff and Smith display the football acumen to do what they have done for this franchise so far there is a pretty good chance that this team will continue to improve.
I think it will be more difficult now though then it has been so far.
The Falcons were mired in a swamp of dysfunction and ineptitude when TD/Smitty arrived. There was a lot of room for improvement and a great deal of ground to be made up to become respectable.
They did that, and most reasonable people would say in an incredibly short amount of time.
I fear that that the rapid ascension of the Falcons might lull TD/Smitty into inflexibility when it comes to their "process." It might become necessary let's say at some point for the Falcons to take a chance on a questionable character kid in the draft or in FA if that player has an unbelievable skill set that would clearly and quickly make this team better.
Would Dimitroff be willing to adapt the "process" to make that happen?
Listen, I love a lot of the things this new regime has brought to the Falcons. Probably about 90% of what they do has benefitted this franchise.
I want to see some flexibility now......and not just about the character or "Falcon filter" issue. Let's not get cemented into these set in stone ideas about free agency either. There will clearly and evidently be years where we should be more active buyers in the FA market.
Having "processes" and ways of doing things that change little if ever in an ever-changing league seems a prescription that will only get you so far.
RE: My Bleacher Report Article - The Falcon Jedi - 01-17-2011 05:30 PM
I thought that was a good write up. I dont think this team was as good as it's record suggested. We were more like a 10-6 team. We beat a lot of bad teams, had a favorably easy schedule.
Our offense was stale and predictable. Our defense over-achieved. While we didnt give up a ton of points, we gave up way too many yards and had trouble getting off the field on 3rd downs. Dunta Robinson was a disappointment. Sean Weatherspoon was ineffective. Peria Jerry was invisible. Mike Peterson too old. Curtis Lofton didnt do a whole lot either.
Offensively, Turner had the most yards of any NFC RB but he also had the most carries. His YPC average wasnt that great. What happened to Harry Douglas? Jenkins wasnt much of a #2 WR, he should be a #3. White was the only bright spot. Ryan cut down on his INTs but he played way too cautious, never made many huge plays until the final minutes of games when he had no choice. And Gonzalez had a lot of ups and downs, his age really showed.
You can go on and on with all the problems, there seem to be very many. I think a lot of it starts with BVG and Mularkey - their schemes worked for a while but teams are now figuring them out. A change really needs to be made with those 2.
RE: My Bleacher Report Article - TeamPlayer1 - 01-17-2011 06:24 PM
Good article, Gritz. The Falcons have to work through this national spotlight stage fright. However for many years the team would lose to sub-500 teams at least a couple of times per season. They seem to have cured that, at least.
RE: My Bleacher Report Article - swanlee - 01-17-2011 08:03 PM
I don't thin our schedule was that easy, 3 straight road games, which we won plus we beat alot of team over .500 and our only losses were to teams with 10 or more wins. We just ran into a hot team that exploited our weaknesses and we made a lot of mistakes we did not make during the regular season. We do need some things changed on defense and some scheme changes on offense and a speed RB and another fast WR. But in total we have the front office and 90% of the pieces to be a super bowl team.
The worst thing we could do is over react and make to many drastic changes, some changes are needed but not at a level most people are talking about.
RE: My Bleacher Report Article - Paulitik - 01-17-2011 08:15 PM
Yep, nailed what a lot of us were feeling.
RE: My Bleacher Report Article - Beef - 01-17-2011 08:47 PM
(01-17-2011 05:30 PM)The Falcon Jedi Wrote: I thought that was a good write up. I dont think this team was as good as it's record suggested. We were more like a 10-6 team. We beat a lot of bad teams, had a favorably easy schedule.
Our offense was stale and predictable. Our defense over-achieved. While we didnt give up a ton of points, we gave up way too many yards and had trouble getting off the field on 3rd downs. Dunta Robinson was a disappointment. Sean Weatherspoon was ineffective. Peria Jerry was invisible. Mike Peterson too old. Curtis Lofton didnt do a whole lot either.
Offensively, Turner had the most yards of any NFC RB but he also had the most carries. His YPC average wasnt that great. What happened to Harry Douglas? Jenkins wasnt much of a #2 WR, he should be a #3. White was the only bright spot. Ryan cut down on his INTs but he played way too cautious, never made many huge plays until the final minutes of games when he had no choice. And Gonzalez had a lot of ups and downs, his age really showed.
You can go on and on with all the problems, there seem to be very many. I think a lot of it starts with BVG and Mularkey - their schemes worked for a while but teams are now figuring them out. A change really needs to be made with those 2.
I just don't get this. It's really irritating actually. We went 13-3, not 10-6. Winning is winning, period. If the other teams were better than us, they would have beat us more, but they didn't. And no other teams out there played & beat nothing but playoff caliber above 500 teams. Every team in the league played some easy games vs bad teams, so acting like our schedule was easy is ridiculous.
We played 8 games vs. teams with winning records(6 of which we won), 2 of which were the SB champs, 7 of which were against teams who went to the playoffs(4 of which we won), & SF, Cleveland, & Cinci were all dangerous teams who had at least 1 or 2 wins against other playoff teams, so they were by no means guarantees, & of course Seattle was an away game vs a playoff team who ultimately beat the SB champs in the playoffs. I'd actually & easily call that one of the toughest schedules in the league by comparison.
And I agree our offense was extremely stale & predictible, but by no means did we "over-achieve". We controlled the clock & teams couldn't stop us from doing that, which means they played worse than we did, OBVIOUSLY, otherwise they would have had more points at the end of the game than us
And special teams is part of this team & part of our success, so not sure why how good they were is rarely considered in these types of arguments.
The rest of what you said is fine, but I think you're just over the top on the schedule & the fact it's absurd to make statements like "we're really a 10-6 team" when there's obviously no way to prove it while there's overwhelming clear evidence to the contrary... the fact we didn't go 10-6.
RE: My Bleacher Report Article - Anomaly - 01-17-2011 08:50 PM
(01-17-2011 08:47 PM)Beef Wrote: I just don't get this. It's really irritating actually. We went 13-3, not 10-6. Winning is winning, period. If the other teams were better than us, they would have beat us more, but they didn't. And no other teams out there played & beat nothing but playoff caliber above 500 teams. Every team in the league played some easy games vs bad teams, so acting like our schedule was easy is ridiculous.
We played 8 games vs. teams with winning records(6 of which we won), 2 of which were the SB champs, 7 of which were against teams who went to the playoffs(4 of which we won), & SF, Cleveland, & Cinci were all dangerous teams who had at least 1 or 2 wins against other playoff teams, so they were by no means guarantees, & of course Seattle was an away game vs a playoff team who ultimately beat the SB champs in the playoffs. I'd actually & easily call that one of the toughest schedules in the league by comparison.
And I agree our offense was extremely stale & predictible, but by no means did we "over-achieve". We controlled the clock & teams couldn't stop us from doing that, which means they played worse than we did, OBVIOUSLY, otherwise they would have had more points at the end of the game than us
And special teams is part of this team & part of our success, so not sure why how good they were is rarely considered in these types of arguments.
The rest of what you said is fine, but I think you're just over the top on the schedule & the fact it's absurd to make statements like "we're really a 10-6 team" when there's obviously no way to prove it while there's overwhelming clear evidence to the contrary... the fact we didn't go 10-6.
I completely agree with this.
RE: My Bleacher Report Article - ChrisD - 01-18-2011 03:49 PM
I don't think our schedule was easy. But I also can't sit and say that we were the best team even in the regular season. I still believe that the Packers, Patriots, and even the Steelers were by far better teams than our Falcons all season long.