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RE: IDK how people can blame Ryan for this lost - nativefalcon - 01-16-2011 02:09 AM
(01-16-2011 01:53 AM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote: no one we live and die with Ryan but saying he is better then 90% of QBS is silly
Im not suggesting we draft a QB or get another QB thats unrealistic but Ryan is who he is
3 years in has not lead us to a playoff win .. and actually has been horrible in both playoff performances . He needs things to go his way for our offense to capitalize
In couple of years down road when this QB has ran its course we do over and rebuild and hope we find the next great QB a QB like a Aaron Rodgers
Man your so full of shit, the end.
RE: IDK how people can blame Ryan for this lost - The Birds Are The Truth!!!!!! - 01-16-2011 02:16 AM
(01-16-2011 01:40 AM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote: Ryan throw to Jenkins ball hung in air and should have been a td in all reality and that changes the games complex . Then the pick 6 he threw was inexcusable and for a QB we all praise as having smarts made one of the worst decisions I ever seen a QB make and Ryan doesnt have the greatest arm and he tries to throw a out and got exactly what was coming
Game is on team as a whole but for a QB we give all the glory to winning straight years he is nothing but a game manager . That hen run game is working and we got a lead then he can make some plays and pick up first downs but when were behind or need him to carry us he is just not able to
Ryan is not able to bring us from behind or carry us
What games have you been watching Swift? I can aleast think of one game. The Falcons vs The Ravens. Ryan may had his bad sure of a performance tonight but Chris Owens was the defination of Got Damn!!!!
He really, really, really Fucked up!
RE: IDK how people can blame Ryan for this loss - Dale4Saul2Red0 - 01-16-2011 02:30 AM
Ryan played bad but he was put in bad situations. 3rd and 19 there is no reason to throw the football. Run it and kick the FG. Nope, MM calls that passing play and yes it was open and Matt should have made the throw but it's not smart football all around top to bottom. Matt Bryant has been money in the dome run the damn rock and let him kick it. With 10 seconds left in the half, don't try to gain a few extra yards on an obvious play call to the sideline. Let Bryant try the 53 yarder. If he misses, so what you go down by 7 at half. Now it swells to 14.
For the first little part of the game everything went our way. Fumble recovery, kickoff return TD and then the bottom fell out. Every 50/50 play went against us. James Jones 3rd down conversion to start the 2nd half, push off. Didn't go our way. Jenkins pushing off though was called. Christopher Owens well he wasn't 50/50 tonight he just sucked! Brian Williams was missed. How about the 4 or 5 times we had Rodgers dead to rights from absolutely piss poor protection and he got away somehow? Good play on his part but another 50/50 type of play and we lost every single one! Fumbling snaps, Jenkins fumbling. The list goes on and on and don't get me started on Grimes perfect coverage against James Jones. What can you do there?
We made more mistakes than we have in all of our games combined tonight basically. It's not on one individual. It's on the TEAM! You win as a team and you lose as a team! Swift doesn't know anything about that but he has been on his witch hunt for a while against Ryan. The act is tired. I'll admit Matt didn't play well at all, but neither did the rest of the team all around. Everyone should be held accountable.
In closing Christopher Owens should never wear a Falcon uniform again.
RE: IDK how people can blame Ryan for this loss - Jayhawk-Falcon2012 - 01-16-2011 03:04 AM
Like i was saying in the Merged thread, Matt can take a little blame but its allll round. Honestly i put the heaviest blame on Owens. How the hell do you come into the playoffs playing like that??? I'd rather have seen him Benched and have Coleman play. Yeah might not have been a huge upgrade, but knowing coleman he'd at least not have gotten so many flags out on that field.
Look at the Defense. They had many upon many of opportunities to get Rodgers sacked, but did they? No! They let him escape because of piss poor tackling. The only reasonable defensive players who should be excluded are Abe and Grimes.
Even that TD on Grimes, that was just a great throw and catch. Grimes played amazing, but that small window got him.
at this point we have to look to the off season and fa/draft. we were one and done, and it f'ing sucked.
RE: IDK how people can blame Ryan for this lost - JDaveG - 01-16-2011 10:25 AM
(01-16-2011 01:44 AM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote: enough of the Matty Ice
Really? Who are you going to replace him with?
That might be the dumbest shit you've ever said. And I realize that's saying something.
RE: IDK how people can blame Ryan for this loss - ChrisD - 01-16-2011 10:32 AM
Everyone is putting the loss on the shoulders of Matt Ryan. . Gee, nobody even considers how poor our defense played against Aaron Rogers. Our defense lost the game, not Matt Ryan. Sure, he threw two critical interceptions before half, but, who cares? We wouldn't have won even if he didn't. You aren't going to win a game against the Packers defense when their offense doesn't have to punt the ball away at all!
RE: IDK how people can blame Ryan for this loss - JDaveG - 01-16-2011 10:55 AM
(01-16-2011 10:32 AM)ChrisD Wrote: Everyone is putting the loss on the shoulders of Matt Ryan. . Gee, nobody even considers how poor our defense played against Aaron Rogers. Our defense lost the game, not Matt Ryan. Sure, he threw two critical interceptions before half, but, who cares? We wouldn't have won even if he didn't. You aren't going to win a game against the Packers defense when their offense doesn't have to punt the ball away at all!
Exactly. I don't like the picks, and no one is saying Ryan played well. But when the game is "hey, we aren't going to stop them so you'd better make something happen," well that's not very fair to the offense.
It's not like we were 3 and out all night. They never punted. Not once. If you can't get one key stop, you shouldn't be in the game. Ryan made 2 key mistakes with the game tied and time winding down in the half. But the defense got horribly exposed last night. All night long, without fail.
RE: IDK how people can blame Ryan for this loss - phocis850 - 01-16-2011 11:12 AM
I only saw Ryan throw one bad throw for a pick 6.
Jenkins slipped in the endzone. He could have had that jump ball.
RE: IDK how people can blame Ryan for this loss - ChrisD - 01-16-2011 11:15 AM
(01-16-2011 11:12 AM)phocis850 Wrote: I only saw Ryan throw one bad throw for a pick 6.
Jenkins slipped in the endzone. He could have had that jump ball.
Yeah, if he didn't slip, he could have probably caught that ball, or even knocked it down. BUT, Ryan made a bad throw there. He spent way too long, as the broadcasters said, trying to move the safety. By the time the safety was out of position, Williams was already right back with Jenkins. Jenkins was wide open right off the line, should have thrown it and let Jenkins make a play.
That is the one throw that again makes me say this about Ryan, his knowledge for the game can often kill our offense.
However, I still believe, it's ALL on the defense as to why we lost the game.
RE: IDK how people can blame Ryan for this loss - JDaveG - 01-16-2011 11:55 AM
I don't think it's all on the defense -- to be fair, the offense had more turnovers than just the picks. Jenkins and Ryan also had a fumble each. 4 turnovers isn't really fair to the defense, either.
But I do think on balance, we had a tie game late in the 2nd quarter, but it was a 14-14 game. That's measuring up to be a shootout. The impetus that puts on the offense is quick strike, make a play. We're not built for that. The idea is control the tempo of the game and get stops. That's how we win. Keep their offense off the field and when they do get on, stop them and get the ball back and start the game of keep away over again. When the defense is letting them march down and score a TD every time they touch the FB, it's just not going to be our day.
So I'd say it's mostly on the defense, but the offense sure didn't help them out any.