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RE: The difference between the Falcons OMB's and other OMB's (Long Read) - The Falcon Jedi - 09-18-2010 12:49 AM
(09-18-2010 12:44 AM)Superfan Wrote: Also, just so y'all know, the current +1 -1 rep system will be totally done away with when the boards are upgraded next month. The intention was good, but it never worked out as planned.
Rep systems never work on message boards because they are controlled by Posters, and many of those Posters are just trolls so the numbers become skewed.
I did an experiment last week on AFMB. I had a Rep of -220. I made it a mission to see if I could manipulate that back positive. It took me 3 days to get back to +57. Just saying that it wasnt that hard for me to gain +270 points if I wanted to.
(09-18-2010 12:46 AM)Superfan Wrote: Bankerbird is another mod that has all but vanished and needs to be replaced.
I havent seen Banker in forever. Is he ok?
RE: The difference between the Falcons OMB's and other OMB's (Long Read) - kibitzer - 09-18-2010 12:53 AM
(09-18-2010 12:37 AM)nativefalcon Wrote: Good info Super fan, Ive always wondered about that, they could get more mini-mods. If thats the problem? Your right ive seen some gross stuff posted on the OMB in the PAST and it was just plain sic.I agree with all that your saying.
Are you guys speaking of the Viqueen invasion? That was the worst I ever saw, and I would be lying if I said it didn't concern me that it could happen here. We do have a good crew here, I think, and I believe the time-zone thing has been addressed somewhat. ("Over there" or "Over here" no one can be on 24-7 w/out difficulty)
Anyway, nice post Supes. I'm sure I will continue to read/post at both boards. I've always been more of a "commenter" than a "topic starter" or "news breaker" anyway. Tbh, though, I haven't been back over there except for when someone brought up the NFC South contest, and I remembered I hadn't made picks in Finally's thread.
I don't think the people running things over there are "bad folks" or anything either. Jay Adams lets his work speak for himself, and I wish they had 10 that approached their work the same way. The sheer volume of posters and traffic has it's challenges, I'm sure. So maybe they do, best they can, and it's just not as visible to the rest of us.
At the same time, I am among those whose screen name was PERMANENTLY banned for something that really just should have been a warning. I'm not going into the whole story again, and I don't even think it was a "power-tripping mod" either. (tbh, don't know who put the hammer down) In fact, I will say this, it was something directed at the litany of problems they continue to face over there, and not something directed at another poster, or even inappropriately publicly posted derision.
My great hope for this place, is that it remains by the fans, FOR the fans. It's a concept that seems to have been lost on some of even the "good folks" running the show at the OMB. And that's not a dig at all. It's just really what I think about the whole thing.
RE: The difference between the Falcons OMB's and other OMB's (Long Read) - The Falcon Jedi - 09-18-2010 12:54 AM
I just remember when the Mods went on a Ban Spree - they took out a lot of us Long-Time Posters all at once. Knight of God, Myself, Atljbo, and others all within the same week. And for no reason that was ever explained to us.
And yet, all the newbie Trolls that were there causing all the problems to begin with were allowed to stay. That pissed me off, bad. That wasnt right.
Then when I was told Shiney was behind all that, and told I needed to PM him, and for a whole year he never answered, I just gave up and started a new account.
RE: The difference between the Falcons OMB's and other OMB's (Long Read) - Superfan - 09-18-2010 01:08 AM
These boards are safe from trolls, spamming and all that. Few trolls will ever find their way here. The OMB's, on the other hand, are very easy to find and exploit, especially ours and the way they are moderated/not moderated.
I got banned myself a few years back. I made a thoughtless comment that was inappropriate and got spanked for it. I was pissed off and felt like I was being picked on, but that just wasn't true. The fact was, I made a thoughtless remark to another poster that I shouldn't have, and got banned. Lesson learned.
I wouldn't be a mod for anything on any MB with heavy traffic because if you like the boards and are not a troll, you'd naturally prefer to be liked on the boards. Every mod on popular boards are hated by someone and are often times perceived as "power trippers", although they are most often trying to do the best they can with what they have to work with.
RE: The difference between the Falcons OMB's and other OMB's (Long Read) - Robb4242 - 09-18-2010 01:09 AM
The mini-mods took quite a beating for a while. People seemed to think they played favorites or were on some type of "power trip" as mentioned by JKH5785. That may have been true in some instances, but overall, I don't think it was. The posters that were disciplined did break the CoC (at least at the beginning). Problem is though, you're not going to catch every person that breaks the rules and every violation of the rules doesn't deserve a ban. Moderating is a tough job & if I were asked to do it, I'm not sure I would accept it because of all the backlash that comes with it. When they first came up with the idea of using mini-mods, I said then that it should be a rotational type thing, and that they should at least yearly make sure the mods were doing what they were asked to do in the manner that they should be doing it. Those that were not should be replaced. That obviously never happened.
I definitely agree with you Supes about the Moderation team approval of all accounts. If anyway possible there should also be a MAC address check from all incoming account request which would eliminate some trying to recreate accounts from the same computer.
As far as the crashing, we've gotten many different stories about who owns, hosts, controls the boards that it's difficult to believe what is being said. We went through the 2 latest iteration of MB's because our New Media staff believed it would be able to support the required bandwidth. As far as the rumor that the league controls our MB, I believe that's false because there isn't a standardized message board around the league. There are several different variants of MBs. The Broncos for example is Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5 while the Falcons is Powered By IP.Board © 2010 IPS, Inc. You asked if the Broncos board crashes on gameday, & it looks like their official in-game thread had over 1600 posts, I cannot even find one for us and don't know if there was one (I couldn't get on during the game).
As you stated, you think someone fell asleep at the wheel, I think it may be more that someone is in way over their head. The changes that have been made since the department expanded and Dan wasn't the "Moderator" have not been improvements, but instead the board seems to be getting worse.
(09-18-2010 12:41 AM)The Falcon Jedi Wrote: Shiney has no business being a board moderator. He is awful at that job.
I like Sac. I liked Bankerbird. But I have no respect at all for the job Shiney has done.
I despised Bankerbird as a moderator, but now, having gotten to know him, I've completely change my opinion about him. He's a really good guy. When I had my problems with Gazoo a few year ago, Shiney was the only Mod who addressed it and stood up to him. JMO.
RE: The difference between the Falcons OMB's and other OMB's (Long Read) - The Falcon Jedi - 09-18-2010 01:17 AM
I just appreciate the fact that I can come here, post something and not get slammed for everything I say. I dont think a lot of people realize how stressful that was for me over there. I literally get attacked every time I post a thread there. After a while that tends to wear down on you. It made me "lose it" sometimes, and go off on people to constantly defend myself. I think that is where a lot of this perception of me being bi-polar has come from. Because I would often try to be positive, but then people would make it a point to piss me off and come at me with pointed insults. Then I would get in a bad mood and say something critical of the team (which would usually be echoed by the media).
The thing with me is that I am going to speakmy mind. And if it is something that you disagree with, then that's Fine - speak your mind back. But dont throw slander at me or insult me for thinking what I think. Just disagree and discuss it in a civil manner.
(09-18-2010 01:09 AM)Robb4242 Wrote: The mini-mods took quite a beating for a while. People seemed to think they played favorites or were on some type of "power trip" as mentioned by JKH5785. That may have been true in some instances, but overall, I don't think it was. The posters that were disciplined did break the CoC (at least at the beginning). Problem is though, you're not going to catch every person that breaks the rules and every violation of the rules doesn't deserve a ban. Moderating is a tough job & if I were asked to do it, I'm not sure I would accept it because of all the backlash that comes with it. When they first came up with the idea of using mini-mods, I said then that it should be a rotational type thing, and that they should at least yearly make sure the mods were doing what they were asked to do in the manner that they should be doing it. Those that were not should be replaced. That obviously never happened.
I definitely agree with you Supes about the Moderation team approval of all accounts. If anyway possible there should also be a MAC address check from all incoming account request which would eliminate some trying to recreate accounts from the same computer.
As far as the crashing, we've gotten many different stories about who owns, hosts, controls the boards that it's difficult to believe what is being said. We went through the 2 latest iteration of MB's because our New Media staff believed it would be able to support the required bandwidth. As far as the rumor that the league controls our MB, I believe that's false because there isn't a standardized message board around the league. There are several different variants of MBs. The Broncos for example is Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5 while the Falcons is Powered By IP.Board © 2010 IPS, Inc. You asked if the Broncos board crashes on gameday, & it looks like their official in-game thread had over 1600 posts, I cannot even find one for us and don't know if there was one (I couldn't get on during the game).
As you stated, you think someone fell asleep at the wheel, I think it may be more that someone is in way over their head. The changes that have been made since the department expanded and Dan wasn't the "Moderator" have not been improvements, but instead the board seems to be getting worse.
I despised Bankerbird as a moderator, but now, having gotten to know him, I've completely change my opinion about him. He's a really good guy. When I had my problems with Gazoo a few year ago, Shiney was the only Mod who addressed it and stood up to him. JMO.
It seems you have had an opposite experience from me there. Banker was always cool to me. Shiney was always a jerk to me.
RE: The difference between the Falcons OMB's and other OMB's (Long Read) - DriveHomeSafelyAtlantaWins - 09-18-2010 01:25 AM
Good post, I agree. Also, they could get rid of the half-page ads tonight if they wanted to. So the fact they've done nothing about it really calls into question just how much they really do care. It's about actions, not words at this point.
RE: The difference between the Falcons OMB's and other OMB's (Long Read) - Superfan - 09-18-2010 01:36 AM
Looking at Robb's and Jedi's conflicting experiences with the mini-mods confirms my belief that perfect moderation is an impossible task on any popular message board and I would never want to be one. It IS a tough and thankless job that pays nothing.
There are plenty of good peeps on the OMB's (and in here, because "here" is really "there" in a sense), that could be good mods, but as soon as they are named "mod" or "admin" and start doing their jobs, they are gonna be hated by many and appreciated by few. It's a necessary evil to have mods and enough of them, but there is no way in hell that everybody is gonna be happy with every mod in any given circumstance.
I'd rather just draw cartoons!
RE: The difference between the Falcons OMB's and other OMB's (Long Read) - The Falcon Jedi - 09-18-2010 01:37 AM
(09-18-2010 01:36 AM)Superfan Wrote: Looking at Robb's and Jedi's conflicting experiences with the mini-mods confirms my belief that perfect moderation is an impossible task on any popular message board and I would never want to be one. It IS a tough and thankless job that pays nothing.
There are plenty of good peeps on the OMB's (and in here, because "here" is really "there" in a sense), that could be good mods, but as soon as they are named "mod" or "admin" and start doing their jobs, they are gonna be hated by many and appreciated by few. It's a necessary evil to have mods and enough of them, but there is no way in hell that everybody is gonna be happy with every mod in any given circumstance.
I'd rather just draw cartoons!
It just reinforces the statement I made that those Mods play "favorites" some times. They let their friendships and emotions get in the way of doing their job. It's inconsistent. And again, that Ban-Spree that occured last year against many of us long-timers really left a bad taste in my mouth.
RE: The difference between the Falcons OMB's and other OMB's (Long Read) - Superfan - 09-18-2010 01:38 AM
(09-18-2010 01:25 AM)DriveHomeSafelyAtlantaWins Wrote: Good post, I agree. Also, they could get rid of the half-page ads tonight if they wanted to. So the fact they've done nothing about it really calls into question just how much they really do care. It's about actions, not words at this point.
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