PASSER/RECEIVER ANALYSIS - Printable Version

PASSER/RECEIVER ANALYSIS - Printable Version

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PASSER/RECEIVER ANALYSIS - Tandy - 09-21-2010 07:02 PM

Every year I watch the games with my DVR and slow-mo the pass plays to determine certain things about our receivers and quarterback that I can't get easily from stats. This year, because I am very interested in the pass protection productivity of our line, I am also timing every snap from the point it is snapped to the point it leaves Ryans hand. I did this in this game and it was very time consuming - so I probably won't do that for every game. I'll do it for a variety of games though - those where we do well vs. do poorly, 3-4 vs. 4-3, etc.

This is not an argument for any specific point - I am merely sharing with you information that I've taken the time to gather that is hard to get elsewhere. I'll update it every week with the new totals rather than creating a different one for every week, however, I have the spreadsheets which contains the breakdown week by week, play by play and player by player if you are interested.

Receiver stats are based on targeted passes - not position, so yes - there are HB's, FB's, TE's and WR's included. Second - these numbers relate ONLY to the passing stats - not rushing. I will keep these numbers up as YTD numbers in this same thread.

2010 Regular Season Numbers Only: (updated through Week 6)
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First - Matt Ryan's (passing only) stats:

Attempts = 219
Completions = 132
Completion Percentage = 60.3 (Completion % - Drops = 67.1%) (Completion % - Throwaways+Drops=76.7%)
First Downs = 69 = 31.5% /att = 52.3% /comp
Touchdowns = 9 = 4.1% /att = 6.8% /comp
Interceptions = 4 = 1.8% /att = 3.0% /comp
Throw Aways = 21 = 9.6% /att = 24.1% /misses (5 on 3D)
Dropped Passes= 15 = 6.8% /att = 17.2% /misses (7 on 3D)

The stats in red will only be periodically updated using a variety of games for information
Game1 (3-4 Defense - Top Tier)
AVERAGE TIME FROM SNAP TO PASS REGARDLESS OF OUTCOME = 1.7 SECONDS
LONGEST TIME FROM SNAP TO PASS = 4.0 SECONDS
ATTEMPTS WITH OVER 2 SECONDS TIME FROM SNAP TO PASS = 7 (15.9%)
ATTEMPTS WITH OVER 3 SECONDS TIME FROM SNAP TO PASS = 3 (6.8%)
AVERAGE TIME TIL SACK = 1.5 SECONDS
ATTEMPTS WHILE RUNNING FROM DEFENDER = 10 (22.7%)
Game2 (3-4 Defense - Mid Tier)
AVERAGE TIME FROM SNAP TO PASS REGARDLESS OF OUTCOME = 2.2 SECONDS
LONGEST TIME FROM SNAP TO PASS = 4.6 SECONDS
ATTEMPTS WITH OVER 2 SECONDS TIME FROM SNAP TO PASS = 11 (34.4%)
ATTEMPTS WITH OVER 3 SECONDS TIME FROM SNAP TO PASS = 5 (15.6%)
AVERAGE TIME TIL SACK = 1.7 SECONDS
ATTEMPTS WHILE RUNNING FROM DEFENDER = 4 (12.5%)
Game3 (4-3 Defense)
AVERAGE TIME FROM SNAP TO PASS REGARDLESS OF OUTCOME = 2.7 SECONDS
LONGEST TIME FROM SNAP TO PASS = 5.9 SECONDS
ATTEMPTS WITH OVER 2 SECONDS TIME FROM SNAP TO PASS = 13 (43.3%)
ATTEMPTS WITH OVER 3 SECONDS TIME FROM SNAP TO PASS = 5 (16.7%)
AVERAGE TIME TIL SACK = 2.1 SECONDS
ATTEMPTS WHILE RUNNING FROM DEFENDER = 6 (20%)
Game4 (3-4 Defense)
AVERAGE TIME FROM SNAP TO PASS REGARDLESS OF OUTCOME = 2.0 SECONDS
LONGEST TIME FROM SNAP TO PASS = 4.6 SECONDS
ATTEMPTS WITH OVER 2 SECONDS TIME FROM SNAP TO PASS = 20 (46.5%)
ATTEMPTS WITH OVER 3 SECONDS TIME FROM SNAP TO PASS = 6 (13.9%)
AVERAGE TIME TIL SACK = 2.1 SECONDS
ATTEMPTS WHILE RUNNING FROM DEFENDER = 5 (11.6%)
TIMES HIT WHEN THROWING OR IMMEDIATELY AFTER THROW = 21 (48.9%)
TIMES THROWN UNDER IMMEDIATE PRESSURE = 36 (83.7%)
Game5 (3-4 Defense)
AVERAGE TIME FROM SNAP TO PASS REGARDLESS OF OUTCOME = 2.7 SECONDS
LONGEST TIME FROM SNAP TO PASS = 8.2 SECONDS
ATTEMPTS WITH OVER 2 SECONDS TIME FROM SNAP TO PASS = 19 (67.9%)
ATTEMPTS WITH OVER 3 SECONDS TIME FROM SNAP TO PASS = 6 (21.4%)
AVERAGE TIME TIL SACK = 2.1 SECONDS
ATTEMPTS WHILE RUNNING FROM DEFENDER = 8 (28.6%)
TIMES HIT WHEN THROWING OR IMMEDIATELY AFTER THROW = 13 (46.4%)
TIMES THROWN UNDER IMMEDIATE PRESSURE = 21 (75.0%)
Game6 (4-3 Defense)
AVERAGE TIME FROM SNAP TO PASS REGARDLESS OF OUTCOME = 1.8 SECONDS
LONGEST TIME FROM SNAP TO PASS = 3.4 SECONDS
ATTEMPTS WITH OVER 2 SECONDS TIME FROM SNAP TO PASS = 19 (44.2%)
ATTEMPTS WITH OVER 3 SECONDS TIME FROM SNAP TO PASS = 3 (6.9%)
AVERAGE TIME TIL SACK = 1.8 SECONDS
ATTEMPTS WHILE RUNNING FROM DEFENDER = 8 (18.6%)
TIMES HIT WHEN THROWING OR IMMEDIATELY AFTER THROW = 13 (30.2%)
TIMES THROWN UNDER IMMEDIATE PRESSURE = 30 (69.8%)

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By Receiver -

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Roddy White

Attempts = 69
Completions = 43
Completion Percentage = 62.3% ( -ThrowAways = 72.9%)
First Downs = 28 = 40.6% att = 65.1% comp
Touchdowns = 3 = 4.3% att = 7.0% comp
Interceptions = 1 = 1.4% att = 2.3% comp
Dropped Pass = 4 = 5.8% att = 15.4% misses (2 on 3D)
Throw Aways = 10 = 14.5% att = 38.5% misses
Yards = 546 = 38.6% Ttl Yds
PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL PASSES FROM RYAN = 31.5% OF ATTEMPTS, 32.6% OF COMPLETIONS
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Michael Jenkins

Attempts = 11
Completions = 5
Completion Percentage = 45.5% ( -ThrowAways = 45.5%)
First Downs = 4 = 36.4% att = 80% comp
Touchdowns = 0 = 0% att = 0% comp
Interceptions = 0 = 0% att = 0% comp
Dropped Pass = 0 = 0% att = 0% misses (0 on 3D)
Throw Aways = 0 = 0% att = 0% misses
Yards = 99 = 7.0% Ttl Yds
PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL PASSES FROM RYAN = 5.0% OF ATTEMPTS, 3.8% OF COMPLETIONS
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Tony Gonzalez

Attempts = 43
Completions = 27
Completion Percentage = 62.8% ( -ThrowAways = 69.2%)
First Downs = 17 = 39.5% att = 63.0% comp
Touchdowns = 3 = 7.0% att = 11.1% comp
Interceptions = 3 = 7.0% att = 11.1% comp
Dropped Pass = 1 = 2.3% att = 6.3% misses (0 on 3D)
Throw Aways = 4 = 9.3% att = 25.0% misses
Yards = 265 = 18.7% Ttl Yds
PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL PASSES FROM RYAN = 19.6% OF ATTEMPTS, 20.5% OF COMPLETIONS
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Brian Finneran

Attempts = 12
Completions = 7
Completion Percentage = 58.3% ( -ThrowAways = 63.6%)
First Downs = 3 = 25% att = 42.9% comp
Touchdowns = 1 = 8.3% att = 14.3% comp
Interceptions = 0 = 0% att = 0% comp
Dropped Pass = 0 = 0% att = 0% misses (0 on 3D)
Throw Aways = 1 = 8.3% att = 14.3% misses
Yards = 67 = 4.7% Ttl Yds
PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL PASSES FROM RYAN = 5.5% OF ATTEMPTS, 5.3% OF COMPLETIONS
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Harry Douglas

Attempts = 32
Completions = 15
Completion Percentage = 46.9% ( -ThrowAways = 48.4%)
First Downs = 10 = 31.3% att = 66.7% comp
Touchdowns = 1 = 3.1% att = 6.7% comp
Interceptions = 0 = 0% att = 0% comp
Dropped Pass = 4 = 12.5% att = 23.5% misses (3 on 3D)
Throw Aways = 1 = 3.1% att = 5.9% misses
Yards = 179 = 12.7% Ttl Yds
PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL PASSES FROM RYAN = 14.6% OF ATTEMPTS, 11.4% OF COMPLETIONS
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Ovie Mughelli

Attempts = 5
Completions = 4
Completion Percentage = 80% ( -ThrowAways = 80%)
First Downs = 2 = 40% att = 50% comp
Touchdowns = 0 = 0% att = 0% comp
Interceptions = 0 = 0% att = 0% comp
Dropped Pass = 1 = 20% att = 100% misses (0 on 3D)
Throw Aways = 0 = 0% att = 0% misses
Yards = 38 = 3.9% Ttl Yds
PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL PASSES FROM RYAN = 3.4% OF ATTEMPTS, 4.3% OF COMPLETIONS
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Jason Snelling

Attempts = 16
Completions = 13
Completion Percentage = 81.3% ( -ThrowAways = 81.3%)
First Downs = 1 = 6.3% att = 7.7% comp
Touchdowns = 1 = 6.3% att = 7.7% comp
Interceptions = 0 = 0% att = 0% comp
Dropped Pass = 1 = 6.3% att = 33.3% misses (0 on 3D)
Throw Aways = 0 = 0% att = 0% misses
Yards = 86 = 6.1% Ttl Yds
PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL PASSES FROM RYAN = 7.3% OF ATTEMPTS, 9.8% OF COMPLETIONS
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Jerious Norwood

Attempts = 3
Completions = 1
Completion Percentage = 33.3% ( -ThrowAways = 33.3%)
First Downs = 0 = 0% att = 0% comp
Touchdowns = 0 = 0% att = 0% comp
Interceptions = 0 = 0% att = 0% comp
Dropped Pass = 2 = 66.7% att = 100% misses (2 on 3D)
Throw Aways = 0 = 0% att = 0% misses
Yards = 9 = 0.6% Ttl Yds
PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL PASSES FROM RYAN = 1.4% OF ATTEMPTS, 0.8% OF COMPLETIONS
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Michael Turner

Attempts = 12
Completions = 7
Completion Percentage = 58.3% ( -ThrowAways = 70%)
First Downs = 0 = 0% att = 0% comp
Touchdowns = 0 = 0% att = 0% comp
Interceptions = 0 = 0% att = 0% comp
Dropped Pass = 1 = 8.3% att = 20% misses (0 on 3D)
Throw Aways = 0 = 0% att = 0% misses
Yards = 50 = 3.5% Ttl Yds
PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL PASSES FROM RYAN = 5.5% OF ATTEMPTS, 5.3% OF COMPLETIONS
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Justin Peelle

Attempts = 5
Completions = 3
Completion Percentage = 60% ( -ThrowAways = 60%)
First Downs = 2 = 40% att = 66.7% comp
Touchdowns = 0 = 0% att = 0% comp
Interceptions = 0 = 0% att = 0% comp
Dropped Pass = 1 = 20% att = 50% misses (0 on 3D)
Throw Aways = 0 = 0% att = 0% misses
Yards = 26 = 1.8% Ttl Yds
PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL PASSES FROM RYAN = 2.3% OF ATTEMPTS, 2.3% OF COMPLETIONS
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Eric Weems

Attempts = 4
Completions = 4
Completion Percentage = 100% ( -ThrowAways = 100%)
First Downs = 1 = 25% att = 25% comp
Touchdowns = 0 = 0% att = 0% comp
Interceptions = 0 = 0% att = 0% comp
Dropped Pass = 0 = 0% att = 0% misses (0 on 3D)
Throw Aways = 0 = 0% att = 0% misses
Yards = 36 = 2.5% Ttl Yds
PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL PASSES FROM RYAN = 1.8% OF ATTEMPTS, 3.0% OF COMPLETIONS
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Michael Palmer

Attempts = 2
Completions = 2
Completion Percentage = 100% ( -ThrowAways = 100%)
First Downs = 1 = 50% att = 50% comp
Touchdowns = 0 = 0% att = 0% comp
Interceptions = 0 = 0% att = 0% comp
Dropped Pass = 0 = 0% att = 0% misses (0 on 3D)
Throw Aways = 0 = 0% att = 0% misses
Yards = 12 = 0.8% Ttl Yds
PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL PASSES FROM RYAN = 0.9% OF ATTEMPTS, 1.5% OF COMPLETIONS
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Other (balls thrown away with no receiver named & odd one time receivers - such as eligible linemen)

Attempts = 4
Completions = 0
Completion Percentage = 0% ( -ThrowAways = 0%)
First Downs = 0 = 0% att = 0% comp
Touchdowns = 0 = 0% att = 0% comp
Interceptions = 0 = 0% att = 0% comp
Dropped Pass = 0 = 0% att = 0% misses (0 on 3D)
Throw Aways = 3 = 75% att = 75% misses
Yards = 0 = 0% Ttl Yds
PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL PASSES FROM RYAN = 1.8% OF ATTEMPTS, 0% OF COMPLETIONS
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RE: PASSER/RECEIVER ANALYSIS - Tandy - 10-23-2010 03:07 PM

Updated with week 5 and week 6 now.

Before you ask:

These are my times for Roddy's drops:

Game 1 - 1st Qtr 6:26 left
Game 1 - 3rd Qtr 13:11 left
Game 1 - 3rd Qtr 2:11 left
Game 3 - 1st Qtr 5:50 left

I define a drop as a pass which is catchable by 90% of the receivers in his same spot (ie: #1 receiver) - if it hits the hands or the chest or if I feel they could hold on to it.

Someone goes through the game tape to get those same numbers on Stats as well. I don't know if they go frame by frame like I do or if they watch it at game speed - but I would say that every "drop" call is subjective to the viewer.

RE: PASSER/RECEIVER ANALYSIS - poutlipper - 10-23-2010 07:23 PM

(10-23-2010 03:07 PM)Tandy Wrote: Updated with week 5 and week 6 now.

Before you ask:

These are my times for Roddy's drops:

Game 1 - 1st Qtr 6:26 left
Game 1 - 3rd Qtr 13:11 left
Game 1 - 3rd Qtr 2:11 left
Game 3 - 1st Qtr 5:50 left

I define a drop as a pass which is catchable by 90% of the receivers in his same spot (ie: #1 receiver) - if it hits the hands or the chest or if I feel they could hold on to it.

Someone goes through the game tape to get those same numbers on Stats as well. I don't know if they go frame by frame like I do or if they watch it at game speed - but I would say that every "drop" call is subjective to the viewer.

haha, you are good Tandy. That's where I was going to go with it. I don't have any of those games still on my dvr so I can't go back and look, BUT, I'm gonna roll with the folks on TV who keep saying he's the only receiver who hasn't had a drop yet Tongue

And not because I don't believe you, but because I like the recognition that Roddy is getting.

RE: PASSER/RECEIVER ANALYSIS - Tandy - 10-23-2010 07:53 PM

(10-23-2010 07:23 PM)poutlipper Wrote: haha, you are good Tandy. That's where I was going to go with it. I don't have any of those games still on my dvr so I can't go back and look, BUT, I'm gonna roll with the folks on TV who keep saying he's the only receiver who hasn't had a drop yet
And not because I don't believe you, but because I like the recognition that Roddy is getting.

Well, even Stats, Inc has him down for 1 drop - they have since the first game.

I'm not sure where the reporters are getting the numbers they are reporting - but I can give you some still shots of those drops. Like I said before - it's subjective. But, before I call any play a drop - I review it over and over and over and over. I slo-mo it to see if the ball really went right to them. I look at the other circumstances - how much did the defender really affect the results, etc. Then, I look at who's catching it. I'm not going to grade Michael Palmer the same way I would Roddy White. Roddy, to me, is a top 5 -10 receiver and our number one guy. He should be making the catches that guys in his same category would make 90% of the time.

You can decide after re-watching the video - and I'll be glad to listen to any debate about it.

Roddy on Stats Inc

RE: PASSER/RECEIVER ANALYSIS - Tandy - 10-23-2010 08:54 PM

These are horrible shots - but I don't have the games on my computer - these are screen shots. Maybe someone with the games on their computer can give better ones.
My definition for Roddy- he's a top 10 receiver and our number 1 go to guy. He should make the catches that 90% of the other receivers in his position would make. Remember - all drops are subjective.

Game 1 - 1st Quarter 6:26 left:

[Image: roddy1.PNG]

Game 1 - 3rd Qtr. 13:11 left: ( I think he sort of tripped himself up a little on this play - but he should have held on to the ball - IMO)

[Image: roddy3a.PNG]

Game 1 - 3rd Qtr 2:11 left:

[Image: roddy4a.PNG]

Game 3 - 1st Qtr - 5:50 left:

[Image: roddy5a.PNG]

RE: PASSER/RECEIVER ANALYSIS - phocis850 - 10-23-2010 09:13 PM

Looks like game 3 was a great defensive play more than anything.

Also, it's interesting to watch our time till pass. If we keep it above 2 seconds, then we have been winning those games.
Our highest scoring game was 2.2 seconds.

I believe this is showing how inconsistent our offense is. Our line needs to do a better job.

RE: PASSER/RECEIVER ANALYSIS - poutlipper - 10-23-2010 11:54 PM

Very cool of you to post the shots. Looking at them like that, the only one I would fault him with would be the 2nd. Now if he makes the other 3, those are 3 pretty impressive catches, but in all 3 of them, you have just a few people in the league who bring those in.

RE: PASSER/RECEIVER ANALYSIS - The Falcon Jedi - 10-23-2010 11:56 PM

According to Pat Yankingits, Roddy is Perfect this season. Roddy has No Drops.

RE: PASSER/RECEIVER ANALYSIS - Tandy - 10-24-2010 05:40 AM

(10-23-2010 11:54 PM)poutlipper Wrote: Very cool of you to post the shots. Looking at them like that, the only one I would fault him with would be the 2nd. Now if he makes the other 3, those are 3 pretty impressive catches, but in all 3 of them, you have just a few people in the league who bring those in.

Like I said - it's subjective.

I admit - I judge Roddy harsher than Jenkins or Douglas because Roddy is supposed to be (and is - in my opinion) a top 5 or 10 receiver in the league. I would expect him to make the catches that I truly believe guys like Fitzgerald, Boldin, Wayne, Driver, Johnson, Nicks, Royal and even Steve Smith will make.

I believe they make every one of those catches. When you go through the sequence of the catch on DVR frame by frame - including the replays - you see that in every case - the ball was in his hands at one point. In his hands. In no case did a defender actually cause the ball to leave his hands.

In the last one - which was the one hardest for me to call a drop - it wasn't the shots you see which determined it for me - I just can't seem to catch the screen shots I want - I'll try to get them for you - it's just going to take me getting a program on my computer where I can get a frame by frame freeze. I'll try to do that later this week. There are shots which clearly show - he had the ball - but he caught it against his body - then let it slip down below his hands - where the defender then knocked it away. You could argue it was defended - but if he had held the ball in his hands instead of with his body - that's a catch and he comes up with the ball. That's why I finally decided on a drop.

If I had some clearer criteria and we could all agree on it - I would be happy to change the way I record them.

We could say:

1. If there is a defender in contact - regardless of the impact the defender has - then it is not a drop. (I am pretty sure this is what they do on the stat sites - but to me - that's not holding the receiver accountable for their own actions)
2. If the ball is not a straight shot into the hands with no contortion of the body then it is not a drop, regardless of how many other receivers would catch it.
3. If the receiver has to jump, there is no call for a drop.
4. If the receiver goes to the ground after the catch - regardless of how long it was in his hands, it is not a drop.

Those are all reasonable rules, I guess - just not ones I've used to relieve the player of responsibility for the catch.

I'll let you guys decide though.

RE: PASSER/RECEIVER ANALYSIS - AtlantaFalconPokerPro - 10-24-2010 12:08 PM

I have all of the games (except for the Philly game) on my PC. I couldn't bring myself to download last weeks debacle.

Did you get all of the screen shots you needed?