Why Matt Ryan and Mularky are more the problem then oline!

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

(01-25-2011 04:48 PM)cooperbh Wrote:  Must have been a cut and paste error. I still have the Packers with 627 dropbacks (549 for Rodgers +78 for Flynn) to 616 for the Falcons. So, Swift is still wrong.

lol Your stats are WRONG BUDDY ..

[cooperbh]

(01-25-2011 04:52 PM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  lol Your stats are WRONG BUDDY ..

No, they're not. You're just confusing dropbacks with attempts.

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

(01-25-2011 05:13 PM)cooperbh Wrote:  No, they're not. You're just confusing dropbacks with attempts.

how can a team have 70+ drop back difference then pass attempt ?

I can understand a slight difference. but thats is a DRASTIC difference

[cooperbh]

(01-25-2011 05:17 PM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  how can a team have 70+ drop back difference then pass attempt ?

Maybe the difference was Aaron Rodgers' 76 rushing attempts? I don't know.

What, do you think those rushing attempts were designed run plays executed from running formations?

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

(01-25-2011 05:23 PM)cooperbh Wrote:  Maybe the difference was Aaron Rodgers' 76 rushing attempts? I don't know.

What, do you think those rushing attempts were designed run plays executed from running formations?

so that is what your saying .LMFAOOOOOOOOOO

Aaron Rodgers had 76 rushing attempts..all designed rushing attempts to you ?? lol ..so since Rodgers got out of pocket when pocket broke down before ACCUMULATING A QB pressure and common sense would say those 76 are not designed runs and break down in OLINE PROTECTION .. the stat of QB pressure like I said is useless ..

[cooperbh]

(01-25-2011 05:28 PM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  so that is what your saying .LMFAOOOOOOOOOO

Aaron Rodgers had 76 rushing attempts..all designed rushing attempts to you ?? lol ..so since Rodgers got out of pocket when pocket broke down before ACCUMULATING A QB pressure and common sense would say those 76 are not designed runs and break down in OLINE PROTECTION .. the stat of QB pressure like I said is useless ..

Your reading comprehension clearly needs some work. Or maybe you just read what you want to read.

Whatever the case, I never even remotely suggested that they were designed running plays. And I'm not going to waste another second playing these silly word games with you.

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

(01-25-2011 05:35 PM)cooperbh Wrote:  Your reading comprehension clearly needs some work. Or maybe you just read what you want to read.

Whatever the case, I never even remotely suggested that they were designed running plays. And I'm not going to waste another second playing these silly word games with you.

is this a FAIR assumption

Most of Rodgers 76 rushing attempts were not designed running attempts and most were a break down in oline protection that forced him to run

so with that being said

Rodgers oline allowed more sacks in less pass attempts...FACTS
Rodgers oline allowed more QB hits in pass attempts...

and the assumption of Rodgers when faced with some pressure he ran so that is a indictment on how bad GB oline protection really is


and another FACT ...Rodgers in less pass attempts apassed for more yards then Ryan


/case closed

[Radical]

Anyone with basic reading comprehension skills could see Cooper was saying flat out that he said the reason for the drop back and pass attempt difference was do to Rodger's attempting runs. Mobile QBs like him are known to break off running instead of attempting a throw simply because running is the more sure option. Rodgers is also known to hold onto the ball, Ryan attempts to get rid of it quickly.

Take a look at the throw away numbers. I can almost guarantee you that Ryan has an extremely high number of throw aways compared to most other QBs. Also consider that Ryan attempted 50 rushes this year as well.

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

(01-25-2011 05:56 PM)Radical Wrote:  Anyone with basic reading comprehension skills could see Cooper was saying flat out that he said the reason for the drop back and pass attempt difference was do to Rodger's attempting runs. Mobile QBs like him are known to break off running instead of attempting a throw simply because running is the more sure option. Rodgers is also known to hold onto the ball, Ryan attempts to get rid of it quickly.

Take a look at the throw away numbers. I can almost guarantee you that Ryan has an extremely high number of throw aways compared to most other QBs. Also consider that Ryan attempted 50 rushes this year as well.

Well then his stats are DEAD wrong and misleading ..


Matt Ryan threw for 571 Pass Attempts
+60 rush attempts

=631 drop backs
Now you can say a QB sneak is considered a rushing attempt ..so that doesnt count as a drop back ...so that would lead to 15 QB sneaks (if my math is good)
-4 pass attempts for Redman ...
so that leads to 11 attempts Ryan was forced to run cause break down in coverage

so anyone with common sense would come to conclusion that Packers oline is far worse allowing Rodgers to be sacked more in less pass attempts and hit more

leaning Rodgers & 76 + rushing attempts

[ChrisD]

I'm not really understanding the argument, I feel like I can solve it quite quickly. .

It's common knowledge that the Packers line is pretty bad against the pass rush! In fact, majority of broadcasters have even stated it in past games. Rogers runs because the line breaks down. However, you don't notice the bad offensive line play because Rogers knows when the line is breaking down much sooner than most. (As does Roethlisberger in Pitt.)

No doubt is the Falcons offensive line better than the Packers. BUT, also realize that we don't have a guy that's going to run around and make plays with his feet. What we have is a true pocket passer. Meaning we need a line that is built a HELL of a lot better than what we have for the pass protection.

The fact that they can't run block for Turner isn't helping them either. He shouldn't have to stand in place looking for holes.