Why Matt Ryan and Mularky are more the problem then oline!

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

Oline allowed

23 sacks 64 QB Hits

Ryan made 571 Pass Attempts

sack allowed 1 for every 24 pass attempts
QB hit allowed 1 for every 8.9 pass attempts

Some examples

Green Bay Packers

38 sacks 67 QB hits

Aaron Rodgers 475 Pass attempts.

sacked 1 for every 12.5 pass attempts
QB hit allowed one every 7 pass attempts


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New Orleans Saints

26 sacks 67 QB hits

Drew Brees 658 Pass attempts

sacked one every 25 pass attempts
QB hit allowed one every 9.8 pass attempts


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I can go on and on ..now to the point


Aaron Rodgers - threw 100 less PASS ATTEMPTS ...but still wound up with more yardage then Matt Ryan ....... 100 pass attempts is like close to 4 games worth of passes but Rodgers had more passing yards then Ryan and the system Mularky runs

In 08' Mularky & Ryan - threw 137 less passes and only passed for 265 more yards ...In 137 less pass attempts the oline ONLY ALLOWED 17 SACKS


OLINE IS NOT THE ISSUE

1)System
2)Ryan
3)lack of play makers td brought in at wr position

[takeitdown]

I agree on some parts, and even agree with you about arm strength being an issue.

However, sacks have been consistently shown to be affected by QBs more than OL. That is, when you keep the same OL and switch QBs, sack numbers change drastically, while if you move a QB to a different team with completely different OL, sack numbers stay sort of the same(for the QB even though he has a different OL).

That's all saying...we have few sacks because Matt Ryan gets rid of the ball VERY quickly. You hardly ever see him drop back, bounce two or three times, scan the field, and throw. So, he never gives time for sacks. I'd actually like him to take a little more time back there, so the deeper passes might open up, and so we'd know where the OL actually is. He consistently gets rid of the ball quickly more than any QB I've watched....and that's both good and bad.

I'll agree we definitely should have more deep passes. Ryan had 12 games in '08 with over 7.5 yards per attempt. He had 2 this year. That just makes no sense...definitely not stretching the defense.

[TonyGraziani]

I actually can agree with this somewhat. Our scheme aint cuttin it.

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

(01-24-2011 04:12 PM)takeitdown Wrote:  I agree on some parts, and even agree with you about arm strength being an issue.

However, sacks have been consistently shown to be affected by QBs more than OL. That is, when you keep the same OL and switch QBs, sack numbers change drastically, while if you move a QB to a different team with completely different OL, sack numbers stay sort of the same(for the QB even though he has a different OL).

That's all saying...we have few sacks because Matt Ryan gets rid of the ball VERY quickly. You hardly ever see him drop back, bounce two or three times, scan the field, and throw. So, he never gives time for sacks. I'd actually like him to take a little more time back there, so the deeper passes might open up, and so we'd know where the OL actually is. He consistently gets rid of the ball quickly more than any QB I've watched....and that's both good and bad.

I'll agree we definitely should have more deep passes. Ryan had 12 games in '08 with over 7.5 yards per attempt. He had 2 this year. That just makes no sense...definitely not stretching the defense.

without a doubt you can flip those stats and say for a team that gets ball out of hands quick and we basically stay within the short intermediate passes that sure is alot of QB Hits and sacks . That would be a fair stance and would make sense but that also shows teams can be blitzing more and going on the attack cause they also dont fear that we can stretch a defense

23 sacks
64 QB hits is not a bad amount

Factor in we attempted 571 passes

Plus we have a balance offense in rushing attempts

[RFlagg]

(01-24-2011 04:12 PM)takeitdown Wrote:  I agree on some parts, and even agree with you about arm strength being an issue.

However, sacks have been consistently shown to be affected by QBs more than OL. That is, when you keep the same OL and switch QBs, sack numbers change drastically, while if you move a QB to a different team with completely different OL, sack numbers stay sort of the same(for the QB even though he has a different OL).

That's all saying...we have few sacks because Matt Ryan gets rid of the ball VERY quickly. You hardly ever see him drop back, bounce two or three times, scan the field, and throw. So, he never gives time for sacks. I'd actually like him to take a little more time back there, so the deeper passes might open up, and so we'd know where the OL actually is. He consistently gets rid of the ball quickly more than any QB I've watched....and that's both good and bad.

I'll agree we definitely should have more deep passes. Ryan had 12 games in '08 with over 7.5 yards per attempt. He had 2 this year. That just makes no sense...definitely not stretching the defense.

I also think just Sacks is a bad way to do this comparison. If you want a more complete picture, you need to include the number of times a QB was hurried and the number of times he threw the ball away to avoid a sack. Possibly even throws on the run.

I used to really like Tandy's thread about Matt's passing, completions and time in the pocket. I think he was averaging something like 2.5 seconds from the time the ball was snapped to the time he was hit. Not much can develop in 2.5 seconds.

[Jesus]

The problem is despite the stats you stated above neither of those teams had a better regular season record than the Falcons. Only one went farther into the playoffs. So its hard to argue with the Falcons results. The offensive game plan was one reason why the Falcons lost to Green Bay, but not the only one. In fact in all of our drives before the wheels came off, the pick 6, Ryan was able to move the ball downfield and even score.

Do you have simliar stats for the Pats - better record. Or the Steelers and Jets who run similar run oriented styles offense?

The proof is in the 2008 season. I don't know why the yards per completion numbers have dropped each year. It has for Ryan and for all the receivers. Remember Ryan's first pass was a 51 yard TD to Jenkins. Which proves: 1) Jenkins can be a deep threat, 2) Ryan can throw deep with accuracy and 3) our offense can spread the field.

[cooperbh]

I'm actually in the process of making a thread about this. I won't have time to finish it up and post it until tonight, but the short version is that Ryan gets pressured on a significantly higher percentage of his dropbacks than QBs like Rodgers, Brees, Manning and Brady, among others.

Stay tuned.

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

Pitt Steelers .

QB Sacks allowed -43 QB Hits allowed 78-


PITT QBS -479 PASS ATTEMPTS

Pitt allowed sack one every 11 pass attempts

QB hit allowed one every 6 pass attempts

They also passed for more yardage with less pass attempts
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NY Jets - 525 pass attempts

QB sacks allowed 28 QB hits allowed 52


NYJ allowed sack one every 18 pass attempts

NYJ QB hits allowed one every 10 pass attempts




Those 2 are considered one of the better olines in league

[Jesus]

Maybe the criteria with which people consider offensive lines good needs to change.

Neither of those numbers improves on the Falcons. Maybe its all about the defense.

(01-24-2011 04:29 PM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  Pitt Steelers .

QB Sacks allowed -43 QB Hits allowed 78-


PITT QBS -479 PASS ATTEMPTS

Pitt allowed sack one every 11 pass attempts

QB hit allowed one every 6 pass attempts

They also passed for more yardage with less pass attempts
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NY Jets - 525 pass attempts

QB sacks allowed 28 QB hits allowed 52


NYJ allowed sack one every 18 pass attempts

NYJ QB hits allowed one every 10 pass attempts




Those 2 are considered one of the better olines in league

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

(01-24-2011 04:24 PM)cooperbh Wrote:  I'm actually in the process of making a thread about this. I won't have time to finish it up and post it until tonight, but the short version is that Ryan gets pressured on a significantly higher percentage of his dropbacks than QBs like Rodgers, Brees, Manning and Brady, among others.

Stay tuned.

lol how so ...QB pressure are one of the most unreliable stats

Aaron Rodgers oline allowed more sacks and QB hits in 100 LESS pass attempts


those stats are FACTS ...and that is truly alarming