The Supes and Hickry firing led to a problem here for me

[Knight of God]

We've been getting this treatment for a while now and this incident just brings it out to the light.

Supes man, you're an awesome guy. They have no idea of what they just did.

[AtlantaFalconPokerPro]

(10-28-2010 09:21 AM)pencilpusher Wrote:  :
I fell in love with a hooker,
I was a disgrace.
So seriously I took her,
She laughed in my face.

The NFL is that hooker. For a price you can get the tail, but you will never get the love. Go into it knowing that and you are better off.

I love hooker analogies.

[mdrake34]

(10-28-2010 08:34 AM)Gritblitzer Wrote:  Let me lay the groundwork for all of you what this situation concerning Supes is really all about:

First of all, in the interest of fairness and disclosure I have to say that Supes is one of my best friends. I watch virtually every Falcon game over at his place on Lake Lanier. Dude is straight up a really good guy. One of those people who literally would give you the shirt off of his back if you needed it.

Also, and I think Supes would agree with this, I have been somewhat of a mentor to him as far as helping him improve his art. He was already really good when I met him, but he needed help making his work digital, so I tutored him in that area....giving him Photoshop lessons, helping him with a Wacom tablet, etc....Picked it up quickly.

He constantly got mixed messages from the Falcon brass. The Stone Mountain cartoon is a perfect example. Certain people within the organization encouraged him to do the piece and even told Supes that he could personally present the piece to Coach Smith. He does the piece, then that shitbag Levak starts the Politically Correct bullshit and says the Falcons don't want anything to do with it.

Some of you guys are kind of missing the point about the anger over at the OMB.....

It's not about Supes or his cartoons. At the end of the day it's not even about The Hickory Stick Award....

It's about the suits at Flowery Branch not having a freaking clue about this fan base. It's about continually being tone deaf to the wants and concerns of the people who support the product you're trying to sell.

Supporting Supes' cartoons and The Hickory Stick Award made a lot of people feel like they were a part of this organization and closer to the players. It's very disillusioning to find out that's a mirage.

That's the bigger picture.

I don't doubt that he's a great guy, nor have I ever questioned his character. And it pains me to say this, because I think Dan is an asshat, but he was correct to point out that Supes made unprofessional remarks about this.

He broke the cardinal rule that you do not badmouth your former employers. Doesn't matter how badly you were treated or screwed, it's best just to say there was a difference of opinion. It reflects incredibly poorly on someone to badmouth a former employer; as a future employer, how do you know that person won't talk badly about you? If Dan wanted to, he could make it hard for Supes to find work in this area around atlanta.

I am NOT defending what the falcons brass, whether that be Dan alone or someone else did to supes. It sucks, plain and simple, and isn't fair. But supes didn't need to make a thread saying falco was "FIRED". That was over the top. I'm sure that came as a shock and crushing blow to him. But he should have cooled down before coming to the boards and typing what he did. I'm not saying he shouldn't have offered any explanation, but I don't think he handled it well. Gritz, I understand he is your friend, so I know you're going to disagree with me on this 100%, but again, let me reiterate I'm not trying to badmouth him.

I've gotten pissed off and posted dumb stuff online too, so I'm not without sin on this one. But I wouldn't have done that to a former employer. If he never got paid a dime, go ahead, rant and rave and raise holy hell. But he had a professional relationship with the Falcons.

Hindsight is of course 20/20, but he could have handled it differently. However, I fault Dan and Jay Adams just as much on this one because THEY should have made this announcement, supes should not have had to say it. They have to be the bad guy on a daily basis, it's their job, so they should have reached an understanding with supes that they would break the news.

You may be sitting here thinking, who is this little 24 year old shit telling a 58 year old man he acted unprofessionally. That's fine, but I'm just offering my opinion. Gritz, I'm not trying to attack either you or supes, please let me make that clear. This entire situation is incredibly unfortunate and could have been handled differently by all parties.

[Gritz]

(10-28-2010 01:06 PM)mdrake34 Wrote:  I don't doubt that he's a great guy, nor have I ever questioned his character. And it pains me to say this, because I think Dan is an asshat, but he was correct to point out that Supes made unprofessional remarks about this.

He broke the cardinal rule that you do not badmouth your former employers. Doesn't matter how badly you were treated or screwed, it's best just to say there was a difference of opinion. It reflects incredibly poorly on someone to badmouth a former employer; as a future employer, how do you know that person won't talk badly about you? If Dan wanted to, he could make it hard for Supes to find work in this area around atlanta.

I am NOT defending what the falcons brass, whether that be Dan alone or someone else did to supes. It sucks, plain and simple, and isn't fair. But supes didn't need to make a thread saying falco was "FIRED". That was over the top. I'm sure that came as a shock and crushing blow to him. But he should have cooled down before coming to the boards and typing what he did. I'm not saying he shouldn't have offered any explanation, but I don't think he handled it well. Gritz, I understand he is your friend, so I know you're going to disagree with me on this 100%, but again, let me reiterate I'm not trying to badmouth him.

I've gotten pissed off and posted dumb stuff online too, so I'm not without sin on this one. But I wouldn't have done that to a former employer. If he never got paid a dime, go ahead, rant and rave and raise holy hell. But he had a professional relationship with the Falcons.

Hindsight is of course 20/20, but he could have handled it differently. However, I fault Dan and Jay Adams just as much on this one because THEY should have made this announcement, supes should not have had to say it. They have to be the bad guy on a daily basis, it's their job, so they should have reached an understanding with supes that they would break the news.

You may be sitting here thinking, who is this little 24 year old shit telling a 58 year old man he acted unprofessionally. That's fine, but I'm just offering my opinion. Gritz, I'm not trying to attack either you or supes, please let me make that clear. This entire situation is incredibly unfortunate and could have been handled differently by all parties.

That's a very fair post drake.....I don't really have a problem with anything that you said.

Let me say a couple of quick things here though:

I have never claimed to be fair or impartial in this situation concerning Supes and Levak. I would be lying if I attempted to do that. Supes is my friend and my take on all of this is no doubt colored and slanted by that fact.

Lastly, as far as Supes' initial post explaining his firing:

He (Supes) knew that it was only a matter of time before someone on the board noticed that the cartoons weren't coming at regular intervals any longer. He felt like he owed it to the board to give them the straight skinny on what went down.

I can say with a large degree of certainty that the way Supes described it is the way it went down. Was he hurt and angry when he posted it? Yeah, he's a human being just like the rest of us....Stings to be fired....

That's about it.

[Knight of God]

The truth of it Gritz and we have spoken about this in the past, is that this organization is changing and to sum it all up...I'm not sure that I like the direction.

[Radical]

(10-28-2010 01:36 PM)Knight of God Wrote:  The truth of it Gritz and we have spoken about this in the past, is that this organization is changing and to sum it all up...I'm not sure that I like the direction.

Go on...

[Knight of God]

(10-28-2010 01:42 PM)Radical Wrote:  Go on...

Radical, my cousin was on staff just last year (after three years unceremoniously fired) and I may act somewhat foolish at times, I'm not surprised at all by this.

[phocis850]

(10-28-2010 01:42 PM)Radical Wrote:  Go on...

Instigator lol.

[pencilpusher]

(10-28-2010 12:53 PM)AtlantaFalconPokerPro Wrote:  I love hooker analogies.

They are universal.

[Templar]

I am one of the new members that you are talking about. I would like to give a little clarification to my own reason for checking out this board. I did not register here because of the issues with Superfan. I do not necessarily agree with them, but they were not my reason for coming here. I had looked for other AF boards before because I really dislike the amount of trolling that goes on over there. I did not know of this board until yesterday when it was linked to because of the Superfan situation.

So, not everyone joined out of disgust. I joined because I like discussing my favorite sports franchise with other Falcon fans, and I want to be able to do so without having to sift through 46 threads by sicktracy or any number of other jerk offs and their personal vendettas against whatever player they have decided to unreasonably hate.