The Supes and Hickry firing led to a problem here for me

[juraitwaluzka]

Quote:It's about the suits at Flowery Branch not having a freaking clue about this fan base. It's about continually being tone deaf to the wants and concerns of the people who support the product you're trying to sell.

Well said! It's damn annoying getting fed this lip service about how much they care when it's clear they don't. I didn't realize until last night that Moderator is actually Levak. Given his comments through the process of transforming AFMB into used toilet paper, it all adds up now. What Gritz said is 100% true despite what one dbag is trying to feed us.

Earlier I joked about Taylor Smith somehow being behind this, but it looks like that ther is an element of truth seeing as how Slestack has been there since the Smith era.

[JDaveG]

(10-28-2010 09:00 AM)juraitwaluzka Wrote:  Well said! It's damn annoying getting fed this lip service about how much they care when it's clear they don't. I didn't realize until last night that Moderator is actually Levak. Given his comments through the process of transforming AFMB into used toilet paper, it all adds up now. What Gritz said is 100% true despite what one dbag is trying to feed us.

Earlier I joked about Taylor Smith somehow being behind this, but it looks like that ther is an element of truth seeing as how Slestack has been there since the Smith era.

I don't know how much of the issues over there are Dan Levak agreeing with the way the boards are moderated or being too lazy to care and just leaving it to unpaid mini-mods to do his job.

In either event, however, it's garbage.

[pencilpusher]

(10-28-2010 08:34 AM)Gritblitzer Wrote:  Let me lay the groundwork for all of you what this situation concerning Supes is really all about:

First of all, in the interest of fairness and disclosure I have to say that Supes is one of my best friends. I watch virtually every Falcon game over at his place on Lake Lanier. Dude is straight up a really good guy. One of those people who literally would give you the shirt off of his back if you needed it.

Also, and I think Supes would agree with this, I have been somewhat of a mentor to him as far as helping him improve his art. He was already really good when I met him, but he needed help making his work digital, so I tutored him in that area....giving him Photoshop lessons, helping him with a Wacom tablet, etc....Picked it up quickly.

He constantly got mixed messages from the Falcon brass. The Stone Mountain cartoon is a perfect example. Certain people within the organization encouraged him to do the piece and even told Supes that he could personally present the piece to Coach Smith. He does the piece, then that shitbag Levak starts the Politically Correct bullshit and says the Falcons don't want anything to do with it.

Some of you guys are kind of missing the point about the anger over at the OMB.....

It's not about Supes or his cartoons. At the end of the day it's not even about The Hickory Stick Award....

It's about the suits at Flowery Branch not having a freaking clue about this fan base. It's about continually being tone deaf to the wants and concerns of the people who support the product you're trying to sell.

Supporting Supes' cartoons and The Hickory Stick Award made a lot of people feel like they were a part of this organization and closer to the players. It's very disillusioning to find out that's a mirage.

That's the bigger picture.

Like I said, I feel bad for Supes in this, because I remember how excited he was when he became " official". Certainly no one can question how much he loves the Falcons and I am sure being rejected by them, esp by Browns fan Dan felt like a knife to the balls.

But Supes has handled this well from the posts I have seen. Those other fans that somehow thought they were a part of the organization through all this just learned a hard life lesson. nOTHING connects you to any NFL team except your wallet, and as much as tickets cost, fewer and fewer are connected by that anymore.

What I didn't like was people saying " I bought jerseys I bought hats...." Well good for you. for that money, you got a jersey and a hat. An exchange was made and you really should not expect a dinner with Blank aftarwards. That is sad, I know but people need to never tie their heart to a big business. Given the right circumstances, these owners will pack up an entire team and move it. It reminds me of the opening line by Soul Asylum:
I fell in love with a hooker,
I was a disgrace.
So seriously I took her,
She laughed in my face.

The NFL is that hooker. For a price you can get the tail, but you will never get the love. Go into it knowing that and you are better off.

[Jesus]

If you ever do anything creative for money you have to know that whomever pays you will control your output. This shouldn't have come as a surprise and no one should be shocked. All I want is championships. The other stuff isn't important. People get too tied to some kind of personal attachment to the team. They get upset when their favorite 6th string LB gets let go and so they come in here and vent. Good get it out and then go have a drink or a smoke or stare the sun for a bit. Then come back and let's talk about football again. That is the reason why we are all here.

[putnam6]

(10-28-2010 08:34 AM)Gritblitzer Wrote:  Let me lay the groundwork for all of you what this situation concerning Supes is really all about:

First of all, in the interest of fairness and disclosure I have to say that Supes is one of my best friends. I watch virtually every Falcon game over at his place on Lake Lanier. Dude is straight up a really good guy. One of those people who literally would give you the shirt off of his back if you needed it.

Also, and I think Supes would agree with this, I have been somewhat of a mentor to him as far as helping him improve his art. He was already really good when I met him, but he needed help making his work digital, so I tutored him in that area....giving him Photoshop lessons, helping him with a Wacom tablet, etc....Picked it up quickly.

He constantly got mixed messages from the Falcon brass. The Stone Mountain cartoon is a perfect example. Certain people within the organization encouraged him to do the piece and even told Supes that he could personally present the piece to Coach Smith. He does the piece, then that shitbag Levak starts the Politically Correct bullshit and says the Falcons don't want anything to do with it.

Some of you guys are kind of missing the point about the anger over at the OMB.....

It's not about Supes or his cartoons. At the end of the day it's not even about The Hickory Stick Award....

It's about the suits at Flowery Branch not having a freaking clue about this fan base. It's about continually being tone deaf to the wants and concerns of the people who support the product you're trying to sell.

Supporting Supes' cartoons and The Hickory Stick Award made a lot of people feel like they were a part of this organization and closer to the players. It's very disillusioning to find out that's a mirage.

That's the bigger picture.

That was damn well said Gritz. I tell you now just the fact we have to discuss this shit instead of talking football makes you wonder about the Falcons management even more. Damn they should have known all his lame response was going to get was an overwhelmingly negative reaction. Unless they were going to reinstate the award and cartoons, he would have been better of letting it simmer for a few days than put that halfhearted message out there.

[Dyoshot]

(10-28-2010 10:41 AM)putnam6 Wrote:  That was damn well said Gritz. I tell you now just the fact we have to discuss this shit instead of talking football makes you wonder about the Falcons management even more. Damn they should have known all his lame response was going to get was an overwhelmingly negative reaction. Unless they were going to reinstate the award and cartoons, he would have been better of letting it simmer for a few days than put that halfhearted message out there.

Yup. As soon as I saw those posts from Dan I knew things weren't going to get better. I dont think he thought this through...

[falconfanjason]

Hi guys, looking forward to a good experience here. Ready to talk some football!

[Flip Wilson]

(10-28-2010 09:27 AM)Jesus Wrote:  If you ever do anything creative for money you have to know that whomever pays you will control your output. This shouldn't have come as a surprise and no one should be shocked. All I want is championships. The other stuff isn't important. People get too tied to some kind of personal attachment to the team. They get upset when their favorite 6th string LB gets let go and so they come in here and vent. Good get it out and then go have a drink or a smoke or stare the sun for a bit. Then come back and let's talk about football again. That is the reason why we are all here.

The lesson to be learned here is that "fine art" and "commercial art" do not mix.
I am a designer and I am not under the delusion that what I do is considered art any more. I do exactly what my employers ask for and I am not attached to any of my work. I don't have time to do artwork outside of my job but if I did, that would be the place to do things that I were more attached to. You can also afford to take a moral stand with your work when you are selling to the public.

I don't know the details of Supe's contractual obligations, so it is hard for me to say what I would do in his situation, but I certainly hope that this ordeal is a blessing in disguise for him.

[Duff_Man]

And we thought the bye week would be boring...

[harveybirdman]

Personally I want this MB to grow traffic enough that I don't have to go to AFMB at all.

And in that interest I hope that we keep most of this discussion over there.

Again no disrespect to Mark, I don't think anyone disputes the scope of his contribution to the AFMB or is thrilled to see that end, nor do any of us plan on spending Christmas with Dan Levak, who hasn't been cool since 2002.

But I definately echo PP's take on this matter.