Stay Classy J.Harbaugh

[Peyton]

Geez the venom in this thread. I like John Harbaugh. I couldn't imagine a coach handling that loss with more class than he handled it with.

[Tandy]

Peyton, I don't see a lot of venom in this thread.

Harbaugh is a good coach - but facts are facts. Every time they lose - you hear them complaining about calls - real or perceived.

I just don't see that from our coaching staff. I know every team turns in film - including ours - and they will in this game as well. That shot on Ryan and a few others.

The problem is officiating - it stinks. It has been progressively worse year after year. Regardless of whether the call is for us or against us - it sucks.

However, that still doesn't change the fact that the Ravens come off as whiners after a loss. They do. And I also like the Ravens - think they are talented and one of my favorite teams outside of the Falcons. But, it's happened on quite a few occasions after a loss. I really don't see that much of that from the Falcons.

[Peyton]

(11-15-2010 10:37 PM)Tandy Wrote:  Peyton, I don't see a lot of venom in this thread.

Harbaugh is a good coach - but facts are facts. Every time they lose - you hear them complaining about calls - real or perceived.

I just don't see that from our coaching staff. I know every team turns in film - including ours - and they will in this game as well. That shot on Ryan and a few others.

The problem is officiating - it stinks. It has been progressively worse year after year. Regardless of whether the call is for us or against us - it sucks.

However, that still doesn't change the fact that the Ravens come off as whiners after a loss. They do. And I also like the Ravens - think they are talented and one of my favorite teams outside of the Falcons. But, it's happened on quite a few occasions after a loss. I really don't see that much of that from the Falcons.

I hear whining from the Ravens players. I really hadn't heard it from Harbaugh. Although I do admit I don't watch a lot of John Harbauugh press conferences. I did see the one after this last game though and I didn't think he could have possibly handled it better.

[Tandy]

(11-15-2010 10:45 PM)Peyton Wrote:  I hear whining from the Ravens players. I really hadn't heard it from Harbaugh. Although I do admit I don't watch a lot of John Harbauugh press conferences. I did see the one after this last game though and I didn't think he could have possibly handled it better.

Yeah, Harbaugh is fine - he's like every other coach - scared of getting hit with a big fine.

I don't think it's any big deal - but the media will use it to try to make us look bad - they like doing that.

[Falconmama]

Now the only call that I can see the Ravens being upset about is the facemask call on Suggs.. Snelling should've been called for a facemask too and the penalty should've offset.. There was also a hold on Ngata in the 4th qt that I don't see how the refs missed, other than that the refs did a okay job calling the game.

[Jesus]

(11-15-2010 11:14 PM)Falconmama Wrote:  Now the only call that I can see the Ravens being upset about is the facemask call on Suggs.. Snelling should've been called for a facemask too and the penalty should've offset.. There was also a hold on Ngata in the 4th qt that I don't see how the refs missed, other than that the refs did a okay job calling the game.

Dual facemasks defaults to the defender.

[Tandy]

It is only a penalty if they grab - twist or turn the facemask. Incidental facemask has not been a penalty since 2008.

Here you go:

A "facemask" penalty is a judgment call that is not reviewable by replay.

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 5 of the NFL Rule Book (page 81) states that "no player shall twist, turn, or pull the facemask of an opponent in any direction."

The Rule Book describes the penalty as follows:

"Penalty: For twisting, turning or pulling the mask: loss of 15 yards. A personal foul. The player may be disqualified if the action is judged by the official(s) to be of a flagrant nature."

The Rule Book describes an approved ruling as it relates to facemask penalties (page 81).

"A.R. 12.12 - Third-and-10 on A30. Runner A1 runs to the A33, where he is tackled by B1, who incidentally grasps A1's facemask on the tackle, but it is not a twist, turn or pull. Ruling: A's ball, fourth-and-seven, on A33. No foul."

Prior to the 2008 season, a rule change was approved that eliminated the foul for the incidental grasp of the facemask.

The language of the rule as it relates to a facemask penalty through the 2007 season:

"Penalty: Incidental grasping of the mask -- five yards. Not a personal foul (if by the defense there is no automatic first down). Twisting, turning, or pulling the mask -- 15 yards. A personal foul. The player may be disqualified if the action is judged by the official(s) to be of a flagrant nature."

[HolyDuckett!]

(11-15-2010 09:40 PM)Peyton Wrote:  The rule is different for the offense. If you push off to get an advantage as a WR, it is offensive pass interference. The ball doesn't have to be in the air.

No kidding? Thanks. Learn something new . . .

[Tandy]

(11-16-2010 12:27 AM)HolyDuckett! Wrote:  No kidding? Thanks. Learn something new . . .

Pass Interference

1. There shall be no interference with a forward pass thrown from behind the line. The restriction for the passing team starts with the snap. The restriction on the defensive team starts when the ball leaves the passer�s hand. Both restrictions end when the ball is touched by anyone.

2. The penalty for defensive pass interference is an automatic first down at the spot of the foul. If interference is in the end zone, it is first down for the offense on the defense�s 1-yard line. If previous spot was inside the defense�s 1-yard line, penalty is half the distance to the goal line.

3. The penalty for offensive pass interference is 10 yards from the previous spot.

4. It is pass interference by either team when any player movement beyond the line of scrimmage significantly hinders the progress of an eligible player of such player�s opportunity to catch the ball. Offensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is snapped until the ball is touched. Defensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is thrown until the ball is touched.Actions that constitute defensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Contact by a defender who is not playing the ball and such contact restricts the receiver�s opportunity to make the catch.

(b) Playing through the back of a receiver in an attempt to make a play on the ball.

© Grabbing a receiver�s arm(s) in such a manner that restricts his opportunity to catch a pass.

(d) Extending an arm across the body of a receiver thus restricting his ability to catch a pass, regardless of whether the defender is playing the ball.

(e) Cutting off the path of a receiver by making contact with him without playing the ball.

(f) Hooking a receiver in an attempt to get to the ball in such a manner that it causes the receiver�s body to turn prior to the ball arriving.

Actions that do not constitute pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Incidental contact by a defender�s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball, or neither player is looking for the ball. If there is any question whether contact is incidental, the ruling shall be no interference.

(b) Inadvertent tangling of feet when both players are playing the ball or neither player is playing the ball.

© Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the pass is clearly uncatchable by the involved players.

(d) Laying a hand on a receiver that does not restrict the receiver in an attempt to make a play on the ball.

(e) Contact by a defender who has gained position on a receiver in an attempt to catch the ball.

Actions that constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Blocking downfield by an offensive player prior to the ball being touched.

(b) Initiating contact with a defender by shoving or pushing off thus creating a separation in an attempt to catch a pass.

© Driving through a defender who has established a position on the field.

Actions that do not constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Incidental contact by a receiver�s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball or neither player is looking for the ball.

(b) Inadvertent touching of feet when both players are playing the ball or neither player is playing the ball.

© Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the ball is clearly uncatchable by involved players.

Note 1: If there is any question whether player contact is incidental, the ruling should be no interference.

Note 2: Defensive players have as much right to the path of the ball as eligible offensive players.

Note 3: Pass interference for both teams ends when the pass is touched.

Note 4: There can be no pass interference at or behind the line of scrimmage, but defensive actions such as tackling a receiver can still result in a 5-yard penalty for defensive holding, if accepted.

Note 5: Whenever a team presents an apparent punting formation, defensive pass interference is not to be called for action on the end man on the line of scrimmage, or an eligible receiver behind the line of scrimmage who is aligned or in motion more than one yard outside the end man on the line. Defensive holding, such as tackling a receiver, still can be called and result in a 5-yard penalty and automatic first down from the previous spot, if accepted. Offensive pass interference rules still apply.



According to this - Roddy would have had to push off to create separation to make the catch - DIDN'T HAPPEN.

[Arkansas Falcon]

This is no big deal.