Playcalling or Execution?

[The Falcon Jedi]

(09-15-2010 04:04 PM)JKH5785 Wrote:  There is a running debate whether or not our offensive woes can be contributed to play-calling or whether they are stemming from execution.

Here we can debate that issue alone...civily...


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My opinion:

I think the execution is a byproduct of the root of the problem which is the play-calling.

I think that just because some thing work around the league, or worked with different teams, that has nothing to do with the Atlanta Falcons. We are not evolving and using our players to their strengths. We are not creating the proper mismatches on defensive personnel.

My example:

MIA runs the Wildcat better than any team in the league, they have nearly flawless execution with the Wildcat, and have had a lot of success with it.

Other teams in the NFL don't run it well at all, or no where near the effect of MIA, all other 31 teams have basically tried it at some point or another with a fraction of the success. This cannot be coincidental to 31 teams not being able to execute it, and although a successful concept to MIA, it's bullocks to everyone else.

That play-calling works for MIA, but doesn't work for all other 31 teams. Every team has different successes.

Our offensive play-calling is in one of the funks where we are running what worked in the past or for other teams, instead of running plays that highlight our strengths and are evolved into today's NFL. Ryan's strengths are not for him to sit back and be a game manager and throw dink and dunk routes. The Wildcat plays to MIA's strengths, now we need Mularkey to play to ours.

Conclusion

I'll leave you with the quote from Tony Gonzalez earlier... "TE Tony Gonzalez on what Atlanta can do to be more efficient in the opposition's territory: "I don't know, you tell me. We looked at the film and it seems like we're executing but for whatever reason we're coming up a yard or two short." Falcons RapidReports

I agree. +1

[caver50]

I think it's OL blocking and play calling. The line isn't giving Ryan enough time, it's
as simple as that. Give him more time and he'll be more successfull. There were virtually no holes for Turner to run through, but there was room to run on the outside with a speed back, know what I mean Vern. There is very little YAC due to MM's play calling. We have got to hit our receivers on the run in the gaps. Need more inside screens to our backs and if it's second and 2, sling that ball down the field. At least sometimes. What happened to the slant over the middle? I don't like MM's play calling at all (ULTRA CONCERVATIVE) I still believe Ryan has the tools, but doesn't have all the parts yet.

[nobkowski]

I agree on one of the passes to Norwood just being flat-out dropped. But it looked to me like Ryan hit him on the back shoulder pad instead of leading him with the other pass. Maybe I saw it wrong.
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yeah it hit Norwood on the numbers but he was turning back instead of running forward so while it was a good pass, it was a very difficult catch to make
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Dang !! My boy "Jerious the Juke" has to do better than that.
I guess this was a case of selective seeing on my part.

[Radical]

(09-15-2010 07:53 PM)JKH5785 Wrote:  The problem is mostly the playcalling in my mind.

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You aren't watching very closely if you think we're playing the same way week in and week out. In fact, that is a ridiculously ignorant statement to make.

Against Pittsburgh, I saw multiple passes to the flats, players running drag routes, hitches, and quick passes. The fact is, Ryan had less than 3 seconds to throw just about every play in that game, closer to 2. There aren't many things you can do when the line is collapsing that much that often. I guess you could throw to the flats and run slants every play, maybe some quick outs(which we did do), but then you have that whole being predictable thing. Back to square one.

We threw multiple passes to the RB, some of them weren't successful at all and some were.

Simply put, this offense starts executing, starting with the offensive line and Matt Ryan, and people stop complaining.

[JKH5785]

(09-16-2010 12:08 PM)Radical Wrote:  You aren't watching very closely if you think we're playing the same way week in and week out. In fact, that is a ridiculously ignorant statement to make.

Against Pittsburgh, I saw multiple passes to the flats, players running drag routes, hitches, and quick passes. The fact is, Ryan had less than 3 seconds to throw just about every play in that game, closer to 2. There aren't many things you can do when the line is collapsing that much that often. I guess you could throw to the flats and run slants every play, maybe some quick outs(which we did do), but then you have that whole being predictable thing. Back to square one.

We threw multiple passes to the RB, some of them weren't successful at all and some were.

Simply put, this offense starts executing, starting with the offensive line and Matt Ryan, and people stop complaining.

In your opinion! That's your opinion, doesn't mean you are correct.

Again, you cannot debate without insulting someone by calling their opinion "ridiculously ignorant"

[Radical]

(09-16-2010 12:13 PM)JKH5785 Wrote:  In your opinion! That's your opinion, doesn't mean you are correct.

Again, you cannot debate without insulting someone by calling their opinion "ridiculously ignorant"

You say that we play the same way every week, which is simply not true. You say we didn't run certain types of routes against Pittsburgh, and it simply wasn't true. I didn't call you ridiculously ignorant, just the statement.

There wasn't a single line from my last post that was opinion.

I've already had a discussion with Peyton about my posts, and everything is cool. You can drop the condescending attitude.

[Peyton]

Man I can see I am going to have to set you two on seperate sides of the room.

[Radical]

(09-16-2010 12:23 PM)Peyton Wrote:  Man I can see I am going to have to set you two on seperate sides of the room.

Nah man.

Hopefully you're going to witness the birth of this forum's first epic rivalry!

10 years from now, both of us will have 60+ thousand posts and we'll be creating 20+ page threads taking pot shots at each other. It will be like Swit....y...and.. Gaz...uhh... OH DEAR GOD!

Forget everything I just said. Yes, please seperate us! In fact, shoot us if it ever gets like that.

[JKH5785]

(09-16-2010 12:19 PM)Radical Wrote:  You say that we play the same way every week, which is simply not true. You say we didn't run certain types of routes against Pittsburgh, and it simply wasn't true. I didn't call you ridiculously ignorant, just the statement.

There wasn't a single line from my last post that was opinion.

It's your opinion that it is solely execution with no connection to the Playcalling, everything you post is to support that opinion.

It's my opinion that the poor execution is due to the Playcalling.

I'm not sure how you don't understand that your opinion isn't any more true than what your claiming mine not to be.

Running a few of those routes on an irregular basis means absolutely nothing. Pittsburgh was blitzing like crazy, and we are still trying to hit the long developing comeback route, of course the offensive line is going to look like shit in that instance. No where in the playcalling did Mularkey consistently create matchups with our other weapons that would exploit the weaknesses in the Defense.

Doing it once a 1/4 doesn't verify your opinion of "well we did it, so your ignorant for saying we didn't"

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(09-16-2010 12:23 PM)Peyton Wrote:  Man I can see I am going to have to set you two on seperate sides of the room.

I think he has a crush on me...

[Radical]

(09-16-2010 12:27 PM)JKH5785 Wrote:  It's your opinion that it is solely execution with no connection to the Playcalling, everything you post is to support that opinion.

It's my opinion that the poor execution is due to the Playcalling.

I'm not sure how you don't understand that your opinion isn't any more true than what your claiming mine not to be.

Running a few of those routes on an irregular basis means absolutely nothing. Pittsburgh was blitzing like crazy, and we are still trying to hit the long developing comeback route, of course the offensive line is going to look like shit in that instance. No where in the playcalling did Mularkey consistently create matchups with our other weapons that would exploit the weaknesses in the Defense.

Doing it once a 1/4 doesn't verify your opinion of "well we did it, so your ignorant for saying we didn't"

And the statements you have made to support your opinion have been false.

No offense in the NFL is going to get by with the QB having an average of around 2 seconds to get the ball off, none. Matt Ryan has 3+ other options on the plays he threw to Roddy on those deep out routes. If he feels he isn't going to be safe making those throws, then he can dump it off to someone else or look for his hot read.

If we really wanted to break it down though to know for sure, we would have to rewatch the entire game and look at the routes that were run. I know that I saw multiple routes that work best against man coverage in pressure situations being run. You say we weren't doing it, which is something I know isn't true.

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(09-16-2010 12:27 PM)JKH5785 Wrote:  I think he has a crush on me...

Whatever you have to tell yourself.