Playcalling or Execution?

[JKH5785]

There is a running debate whether or not our offensive woes can be contributed to play-calling or whether they are stemming from execution.

Here we can debate that issue alone...civily...


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My opinion:

I think the execution is a byproduct of the root of the problem which is the play-calling.

I think that just because some thing work around the league, or worked with different teams, that has nothing to do with the Atlanta Falcons. We are not evolving and using our players to their strengths. We are not creating the proper mismatches on defensive personnel.

My example:

MIA runs the Wildcat better than any team in the league, they have nearly flawless execution with the Wildcat, and have had a lot of success with it.

Other teams in the NFL don't run it well at all, or no where near the effect of MIA, all other 31 teams have basically tried it at some point or another with a fraction of the success. This cannot be coincidental to 31 teams not being able to execute it, and although a successful concept to MIA, it's bullocks to everyone else.

That play-calling works for MIA, but doesn't work for all other 31 teams. Every team has different successes.

Our offensive play-calling is in one of the funks where we are running what worked in the past or for other teams, instead of running plays that highlight our strengths and are evolved into today's NFL. Ryan's strengths are not for him to sit back and be a game manager and throw dink and dunk routes. The Wildcat plays to MIA's strengths, now we need Mularkey to play to ours.

Conclusion

I'll leave you with the quote from Tony Gonzalez earlier... "TE Tony Gonzalez on what Atlanta can do to be more efficient in the opposition's territory: "I don't know, you tell me. We looked at the film and it seems like we're executing but for whatever reason we're coming up a yard or two short." Falcons RapidReports

[BullRush]

I say its completely execution. No OC will call a perfect game, but think about the plays that were over thrown, passes dropped, blocking assignments missed in the Steelers game alone. If they were executed the offensive woes disappear immediately

[TomBradyMVP12]

(09-15-2010 04:11 PM)BullRush Wrote:  I say its completely execution. No OC will call a perfect game, but think about the plays that were over thrown, passes dropped, blocking assignments missed in the Steelers game alone. If they were executed the offensive woes disappear immediately

It's both(play calling and execution), and that's just football.


When you say that no OC can call a perfect game, I agree but any OC knows(except MM) that you cannot run the same darn plays over and over. A 7 year old kid knows that.

[JKH5785]

(09-15-2010 04:11 PM)BullRush Wrote:  I say its completely execution. No OC will call a perfect game, but think about the plays that were over thrown, passes dropped, blocking assignments missed in the Steelers game alone. If they were executed the offensive woes disappear immediately

...but wouldn't you also consider that some of the poor execution would be caused by the lack of separation in our WR patterns...the tougher throws away from the DBs.

Just like you say that no OC will call a perfect game, no players will play a perfect game either.

The play calling that we have nearly requires us too, because we've have plenty of opportunities to score points. Drives are stalling before they get into the redzone, and if execution were that big of a problem, I don't think we would move the ball so well in some areas of the field and then can't in others.

[Knight of God]

The boys played their butts off and did what they could. We are just predictable.

[atl falcon 89]

Yeah I gotta agree, I think its a little bit of both. Now we all know what Matt can do (we saw it back in 08). And I refuse to believe that someone who has been in the league as long as Mularkey has could possibly have his head up his ass so bad as some of us think he does. To me you have look at all the factors such as inconsistant O line protection (can't go deep if you only have a second and a half to throw), 5 quality recivers on our roster but only one proven playmaker, injuries over the past 2 years, and THEN possibly underachieving coaching. (That is they're not meeting what ever goals they set out, not that MM is retarted)

[Radical]

1. How are we not doing that? Examples? What are we doing that isn't playing to our strengths? What should we be doing specifically?

2. Same thing you said in the other thread regarding using heavy sided sets and Tony/White on one side of the field. Those are basic offensive concepts that are fundamental to football. You cannot compare that to the Wildcat, which is a novelty play that is based more off catching the other team off guard than a fundamental offensive concept.

3. For Ryan to drop back and air it out, he's going to need some good pass protection and other WRs who can go down field besides Roddy White. Jenkins isn't a deep threat and our offensive line is NOT an upper tier pass blocking unit, especially against the Steelers front 7.

4. Once again, you're simply getting whatever suits your views out of that quote by Gonzo. Hardly a conclusion at all.

[JKH5785]

I agree that execution could be improved, but I believe it's harder to execute when we are so predictable!

fact still remains that our offense moves fine in No Huddle, and then fizzes out when Mularkey starts to call the plays back in.

If it were all totally on the players, this offense wouldn't move the ball fine in the No Huddle b/t the 30s, only to stall before seeing the Red-zone.

yeah the Wildcat catches so many teams off guard with Brown lined up for a direct snap. right Radical?

Do you know how to debate anything with your opinion versus just asking for exact precise information on everyone elses?

If you have a HOF TE out there that's unquestionably vexed about the situation, and says that he feels like they are executing, i mean how do you interpret that. Instead of criticizing someone's comments and opinions, try offering your own.

[Radical]

We're hardly predictable, at least from Mularkey's play calling. I've yet to see any examples of us being predictable. Ryan throwing a bunch of out patterns to Roddy White isn't on Mularkey, that's Ryan's choice.

There is many other factors that you aren't considering that take place when we go into the no huddle besides just who is calling the plays(even though all of them are plays given to Ryan by Mularkey to choose from).

No huddle doesn't allow the other defense to substitute, so you can catch defenses off guard if there is a mismatch in personnel. No huddle plays are generally the most practiced plays out of the entire play book that the QB is most comfortable with, and it is generally from a short list of 5-10 plays. No huddle gives the defense less time to set up, adjust, and react either.

[raysnill1]

(09-15-2010 04:20 PM)Radical Wrote:  1. How are we not doing that? Examples? What are we doing that isn't playing to our strengths? What should we be doing specifically?

2. Same thing you said in the other thread regarding using heavy sided sets and Tony/White on one side of the field. Those are basic offensive concepts that are fundamental to football. You cannot compare that to the Wildcat, which is a novelty play that is based more off catching the other team off guard than a fundamental offensive concept.

3. For Ryan to drop back and air it out, he's going to need some good pass protection and other WRs who can go down field besides Roddy White. Jenkins isn't a deep threat and our offensive line is NOT an upper tier pass blocking unit, especially against the Steelers front 7.

4. Once again, you're simply getting whatever suits your views out of that quote by Gonzo. Hardly a conclusion at all.

1. we have Ovie who is good at picking up blitzes who could be used in pass protections, then slip out to become a screen pass option. we have Norwood who has good hands who would be a nightmare trying to matchup as a screen pass option. spread out our formations and allow our linemen one on one blocking opportunities so they an get a better push for running plays.

3. being predictable takes a few options away BEFORE the ball is snapped. remember against the saints when Vilma took Roddy out & they got a pick 6 before halftime, our offense is still like that. actually I'm impressed that our offense is able to pull off a lot of the stuff we do because we are that predictable. we have a lot of talent & speed at our disposal, they're just being wasted on come back & out routes that barely get YAC.