Our front office now resembles Washington and Dallas

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

(04-29-2011 12:59 AM)Chuck Norris Wrote:  Give it a chance before you bash Julio and the move. If he turns out to be the player he should be and we can sign some right pieces, nobody is beating us.

I think Jones will be a solid player but i dont think he is the player we give up ton of draft picks for

the argument is not is Jones a bust or not


argument is was it to costly

[cooperbh]

(04-28-2011 11:27 PM)TheDirtyWord Wrote:  I know this move is controversial, but...

1) During Marvin Harrison's heyday, was Reggie Wayne a #2 WR or simply 1b? The Colts gained a competitive advantage by putting stress of opposing defenses because the weapons they gave Peyton were superior on the edge. Obviously having Manning made it all work, but Ryan has an opportunity to ascend to that level. Dimitroff simply invested in his QB.

2) Mel Kiper graded Julio as the best blocking WR he's ever graded. His (Julio's) comment after the draft was this 'I don't like to block. I love to block'. While Schefter claimed the Falcons were thisclose to landing AJ, if the Falcons really wanted him given what they were giving up, they'd have gotten him. Fact is, the package they put together was certainly enticing enough to move up to #4. Me thinks Julio was the object of affection all along. Julio's playing personality fits in line with the playing personality I believe the Falcons want to embody. Green is a fantastically talented WR, but he wasn't the fit Julio was.

3). With FA now apparently on the horizon, there is a decent chance the Falcons could lose some key FA's, particularly along the O-line. Thinking about comp picks in 2012, I think the Falcons have a very good shot of recouping that 4th rounder...maybe more. It's still a steep price to pay, but I guess I've seen what you didn't in Julio which simply boils down to a difference in opinion.

1) Julio Jones by himself cost more in draft picks and slotted money than Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne and Brandon Stokely combined. Therein lies the problem. My issues with this move go far beyond who is going to be assigned the title of "WR1" and "WR2."

2) The "blocking argument" was never really effective when trying to justify our old #2 WR. And we're already trotting it out for his new replacement? Not a good sign, IMO.

3) I hope what you've seen in Julio is a talent transcendent enough to carry a team by himself, if need be. Because we sure won't have many draft picks or much cap space to spend on other positions of need any time soon.

[Dale4Saul2Red0]

(04-29-2011 12:59 AM)Chuck Norris Wrote:  Give it a chance before you bash Julio and the move. If he turns out to be the player he should be and we can sign some right pieces, nobody is beating us.

If it was Dez or Green, Swift would have been doing cartwheels. Clown magic, don't fall for it.

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

(04-29-2011 01:05 AM)Dale4Saul2Red0 Wrote:  If it was Dez or Green, Swift would have been doing cartwheels. Clown magic, don't fall for it.

If you understood football and values of game and understand risk/ reward you would know the difference between a wr falling into your lap and trading away ton of draft picks to get to square A

But that might be lol to hard to comprehend for you

[papachaz]

(04-28-2011 11:07 PM)cooperbh Wrote:  The point I was making is that this is a move the Skins or Cowboys would have made. Not necessarily that our FO has adopted their philosophies.

And loading up for a short-term championship run never works. Just ask any team that Brett Favre has played on during the last decade.

coop, i usually agree with most of your posts, BUT... there is NO way you can compare drafting a WR who was very high on almost every teams boards, with spending tons of money on old worn out QB's as a move that is 'loading up for a short-term championship run'

this is building from the draft, this is young guy who will be here a long time, we're still a very young team, with our average age being in the mid twenties. So many people for the last two years have screamed why didn't we get a WR in the draft, why didn't we go after dez bryant last year, why can't we stretch the field....we gave up 4 draft picks, not five, our first doesn't come into the trade, because we got a first. the last part of the 2nd and 4th round this year, and who knows where we'll be picking next year in the 1st and 4th. I for one haven't been impressed with that many in this years draft, so many came out last year because of the CBA crap.

I would have really loved this move with a little less involved, but now we have people, OP probably not included in this, but we have SOOOOO many people who complain about the FO not doing enough to try to make a move, now we do and they complain about that, good grief.....

[Radical]

Until we start spending 100,000,000 on nagging fuck-ups like Albert Haynesworth or being a media circus that blows pick after pick in Dallas, I'm not worried.

The move is interesting, but if Julio Jones lives up to the bill, I say it would be very much worth it.

[cooperbh]

(04-29-2011 01:47 AM)papachaz Wrote:  coop, i usually agree with most of your posts, BUT... there is NO way you can compare drafting a WR who was very high on almost every teams boards, with spending tons of money on old worn out QB's as a move that is 'loading up for a short-term championship run'

I was more referring to the Skins habit of giving away future draft picks by the clip in order to trade up for the likes of Jason Campbell, Malcolm Kelley or Devin Thomas. Or the aforementioned Roy Williams trade by Dallas.

I think some of you are taking the reference in the thread title a bit too literally. The point is that spending five draft picks on one player has never been a recipe for success in the NFL.

As I mentioned before, I hope I'm dead wrong this time.

[JDaveG]

(04-29-2011 01:34 AM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  If you understood football and values of game and understand risk/ reward you would know the difference between a wr falling into your lap and trading away ton of draft picks to get to square A

But that might be lol to hard to comprehend for you

Yeah......uh, about that........

(04-28-2011 07:46 PM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  TD needs to go I'm sorry Jones is a nice wr has some upside but to give up so much to get into top 7 for Jones I'll be sick . I'd rather stay at 27 and draft Hankerson and keep future picks

The only 2 players I can live with mortgage future for is Green or Peterson .

So it ain't about the value, it's about the player, which is exactly what was said. You don't mind mortgaging the future for Green or Peterson, you do for Julio Jones.

I'm uncomfortable with giving up what we gave up for ANYONE, but as between AJ Green and Julio Jones it's either/or to me. I think Green has the better upside (if he's good, he could be Randy Moss good), and more risk (his frame isn't sturdy enough, IMHO, to last long in the NFL). Jones could be Terrell Owens v.2 without the on-field and off-field drama. I'll take that if it pans out.

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

I dont think I would have gave up that much for Peterson or Green now to be honest . I understand a move up but to give up that much is BEYOND ridiculous ..I made a list of players that I would have probably gave up as much as we did to move into that spot

Andre Johnson
Aaron Rodgers
Brady
Manning
Revis
Troy P
Suh


Those are probably the only players I can validate trading that much for ..

[Jesus]

It's hard to tell his value because he hasn't played a down yet. I like the move because it is bold. Who would the team have taken at 27 with this much talent? After Jones and Green the WR talent drops considerably. Do we reach at 27 for a second round WR or do we take another project at DE? Remember the cowboys pulled the hershel walker trade and that worked out for them. The browns will waste all those picks anyway. Remember Brady Quinn?