Off Topic: Eli Manning, y'all still think Ryan is Better.

[swanlee]

Wow this is just like being on AFMB, circular arguments about Ryan, ooh joy

[triggerman]

(01-23-2012 06:19 PM)Beef Wrote:  You're so transparent it's pathetic.

Ryan's regular season stats over first 4 years are as good or better than the vast majority of QB's to ever play this game, including Eli and Smith, but according to you none of that matters because it's all about playoffs.

But when it comes to Cam, regular season stats are valid. Cam didn't even get his team sniffing the playoffs, yet now all of a sudden, that doesn't matter.

ok

you want to crown Ryan regular season champ by all means.
ryans failure in playoffs are not things id brag about.

so i can compare ELI- playoffs vs ryan
and Cam Rookie year vs Ryan rookie year.

how about an answer sport?
Eli or ryan?

[triggerman]

if ryan is better than eli, what year do you expect ryan to lead us to a playoff success

eli won super bowl in 4th and is in it again.

should we compare him to ryan?

im just speaking on the Ryan is better than eli.
and ELI is a turd.

so if turd is SB champ in 4th year and in the big game again, what does that make Gomer Pile?


id still like to play rank the playoff qbs.

[FullMetalFalcon23]

^^ this is exactly why I can't take him seriously. Or anyone that bends stats to suit a particular argument as a conclusive point when discounting all other evidence.

You ask me the question directly. I think Matt is not better than Eli right now. But there is a 4 year difference between the 2. Eli has a SB and he won it young. But don't be fooled by the gloss there were a lot of contributors to that win. He didn't pull a Rogers and dominate an opposing team. He managed a game and took chances within that framework.

This time round Eli has been better. He has not been hot but he has been determined.

I think you must be high off your ass if you think Smitg is better than Matt. He won't be in the same position next year, neither will the 49ers unless they open up that I further. You'll see a result similar to Atlanta except the D can get them more wins than Any of ours has in the past.

Newton is an athlete but right now he is far from a polished QB. Those passing stats are inflated by a few big games at the start of the year and towards the year end. Matt is currently 2nd in NFCSouth. You try taking that bullshit statement to any knowing NFL professional. Not a talking head a proper professional and they will tell you the same. Newton could develop to be better than Matt, but he is flat out not at the moment.

On a side note Newton is a moron. I found him irritating but admired his drive until I read an article in which he blamed the path being difficult for him on Young and Russell but expressed appreciation of Vick. Who is the ring leader of black QB fuck ups.

[triggerman]

(01-23-2012 06:44 PM)FullMetalFalcon23 Wrote:  ^^ this is exactly why I can't take him seriously. Or anyone that bends stats to suit a particular argument as a conclusive point when discounting all other evidence.

You ask me the question directly. I think Matt is not better than Eli right now. But there is a 4 year difference between the 2. Eli has a SB and he won it young. But don't be fooled by the gloss there were a lot of contributors to that win. He didn't pull a Rogers and dominate an opposing team. He managed a game and took chances within that framework.

This time round Eli has been better. He has not been hot but he has been determined.

I think you must be high off your ass if you think Smitg is better than Matt. He won't be in the same position next year, neither will the 49ers unless they open up that I further. You'll see a result similar to Atlanta except the D can get them more wins than Any of ours has in the past.

Newton is an athlete but right now he is far from a polished QB. Those passing stats are inflated by a few big games at the start of the year and towards the year end. Matt is currently 2nd in NFCSouth. You try taking that bullshit statement to any knowing NFL professional. Not a talking head a proper professional and they will tell you the same. Newton could develop to be better than Matt, but he is flat out not at the moment.

On a side note Newton is a moron. I found him irritating but admired his drive until I read an article in which he blamed the path being difficult for him on Young and Russell but expressed appreciation of Vick. Who is the ring leader of black QB fuck ups.

ok fair deal
so eli 8 years is better than ryan 4.
SUPERBOWL WINNING ELI in 4th year, is not better than ryan 4th.
I gotcha

[phocis850]

Ignoring thread. Waste of time.

[Beef]

(01-23-2012 06:40 PM)triggerman Wrote:  if ryan is better than eli, what year do you expect ryan to lead us to a playoff success

eli won super bowl in 4th and is in it again.

should we compare him to ryan?

im just speaking on the Ryan is better than eli.
and ELI is a turd.

so if turd is SB champ in 4th year and in the big game again, what does that make Gomer Pile?


id still like to play rank the playoff qbs.

It's impossible to compare because they are different teams. You put the Giants DL and OL on the Falcons and I'll take Ryan. I think Ryan is smarter, more accurate, throws less ints, and makes better decisions than Eli.

Ryan's poor play in the playoffs has mitigating factors that you're unobjectively refusing to acknowledge. It's hard to play confident big-game type ball when your OL is paper-thin and allows you to get pummeled regularly if you stand around checking progressions. His bend but don't break secondary and overwhelmingly average pass rush on defense doesn't put him back on the field enough, and when they do, it's with points on the board and he's forced into playing catch-up style football.

You keep framing everything as if Eli won every playoff game by himself and you can't do that.

Like I said, your agenda is so transparent it's pathetic. I mean for fuck sakes you think Alex Smith is better than Ryan. No other proof is needed for you being a retard troll.

[swanlee]

This is exactly why AFMB sucks, lock the thread an pin it as an example of why AFMB sucks

[pauliwood]

I've said it before, and I guess I will say it again. The Giants did not win that game, San Francisco, specifically Kyle Williams lost that game. If Vaseline hands doesn't muff not one, but two punts, the second one in overtime at the twenty, then we aren't hearing anything at all about Eli, (would we really be seeing Alex Smith is better than Ryan threads? probably) If the Giants had played anyone not named the Dallas Cowboys in week 17 they wouldn't even be in the playoffs.

[RnB]

Holy shit man, lock this thread! This guy has gone off the deep end. His thread sucks, his argument is flaccid at best, and I can barely read his posts even if I wanted to.

SHUT.IT.DOWN.