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triggerman · 01-23-2012, 05:31 PM

(01-23-2012 05:27 PM)cooperbh Wrote: Yep. The Giants cruised to a championship on a road paved by Eli's league leading 20 INTs. That '07 Giants defense owes Eli a lot.

you did watch the game didnt you?

say no more

triggerman · 01-23-2012, 05:35 PM

Cooper,
Question for you sir/madam.

4th year in the league, Who played better in the playoffs?

Waiting to hear this one. its gotta be a jewel.

give me some more regular season stats..........wins, ints, tds, great interviews, etc. I want more regular season stats. because the banner ceremony will be EPIC.

**Radical** · 01-23-2012, 05:40 PM

(01-23-2012 05:02 PM)triggerman Wrote: Ryan is the 3rd best qb in NFC South, Freeman is #4.

Ryan is better than freeman

Ryan > Newton

Better completion percentage, more touchdowns, less interceptions, bout the same YPA, more 40+ yard passes, better QB rating.

triggerman · 01-23-2012, 05:49 PM

(01-23-2012 05:40 PM)Radical Wrote: Ryan > Newton

Better completion percentage, more touchdowns, less interceptions, bout the same YPA, more 40+ yard passes, better QB rating.

ryan had
less touchdowns, less yards, cam also going to pro bowl.

remember Cam is a new school qb, he is multi faceted. he had what 14 rushing tds? 700 more yards on the ground.

if he is on our team you would not minimize. the rushing td or rushing yards. So it is not acceptable now.

But if it makes it easier. Cam rookie year vs Ryans?
however you would prefer?

SO back to the discussion.
Eli or Ryan, and WHY?

Breesus
Cam the GOD
Gomer
Freeman

***Peyton*** · 01-23-2012, 06:02 PM

(01-23-2012 05:27 PM)cooperbh Wrote: Yep. The Giants cruised to a championship on a road paved by Eli's league leading 20 INTs. That '07 Giants defense owes Eli a lot.

Manning was money in the 2007 playoffs. He played fantastic football.

**Radical** · 01-23-2012, 06:03 PM

(01-23-2012 05:49 PM)triggerman Wrote: ryan had
less touchdowns, less yards, cam also going to pro bowl.

remember Cam is a new school qb, he is multi faceted. he had what 14 rushing tds? 700 more yards on the ground.

if he is on our team you would not minimize. the rushing td or rushing yards. So it is not acceptable now.

Didn't work for Vick when people said he was better than Peyton Manning, it isn't going to work now. Ryan more passing yards, more passing touchdowns, fewer interceptions, fewer turnovers, better completion percentage, and more 1st down. Oh yeah, and he actually win enough to get the play-offs. Not talking about tomorrow, rookie vs. rookie, nth year vs. nth year, just right now.

You're not being honest trig.

FullMetalFalcon23 · 01-23-2012, 06:05 PM

(01-23-2012 05:49 PM)triggerman Wrote: ryan had
less touchdowns, less yards, cam also going to pro bowl.

remember Cam is a new school qb, he is multi faceted. he had what 14 rushing tds? 700 more yards on the ground.

if he is on our team you would not minimize. the rushing td or rushing yards. So it is not acceptable now.

But if it makes it easier. Cam rookie year vs Ryans?
however you would prefer?

SO back to the discussion.
Eli or Ryan, and WHY?

Breesus
Cam the GOD
Gomer
Freeman

What were the end results of the respective Rookie years. Matt go his team a winning season. They made the playoffs. Seriously you can find stats and info to back up multiple arguments for pros and cons against many and any QB and or player.

I think it is bulkshit that you have come on here stirring up shit. This isn't even a critical thinking football discussion. This thread has run its predicted course into bullshit.

Shut it down

triggerman · 01-23-2012, 06:10 PM

(01-23-2012 06:03 PM)Radical Wrote: Didn't work for Vick when people said he was better than Peyton Manning, it isn't going to work now. Ryan more passing yards, more passing touchdowns, fewer interceptions, fewer turnovers, better completion percentage, and more 1st down. Oh yeah, and he actually win enough to get the play-offs. Not talking about tomorrow, rookie vs. rookie, nth year vs. nth year, just right now.

You're not being honest trig.

im being honest, but you are taking Cams, stats, and records and saying well those are unimportant.
im saying total it all up. tds, yards, turnovers, first downs, etc.

then lay it side by side

not sure where vicks numbers are, doesnt matter.

but remember the original gist of this copnvo.
ELI vs ryan.
let me know who is better and why. another year has gone by and its another opportunity to make a decision.

arent you the same guy that compares ryans yearlies with the other big qbs, manning, brady, rodgers. An that is ok, but its not with Cam
who broke every rookie qb record.

what is it going to be.
Intellectual integrity, or homer spin?

triggerman · 01-23-2012, 06:15 PM

(01-23-2012 06:05 PM)FullMetalFalcon23 Wrote: What were the end results of the respective Rookie years. Matt go his team a winning season. They made the playoffs. Seriously you can find stats and info to back up multiple arguments for pros and cons against many and any QB and or player.

I think it is bulkshit that you have come on here stirring up shit. This isn't even a critical thinking football discussion. This thread has run its predicted course into bullshit.

Shut it down

So you think Gomer Pile is a better QB than Eli?

remember Eli got a ring in 4th year, by hsi sheer determination, beat undefeated pats, and is now again in the super bowl.

Vote early ad vote often.

Just want to revisit some stuff i have been holing back on.

Beef · 01-23-2012, 06:19 PM

(01-23-2012 06:10 PM)triggerman Wrote: im being honest, but you are taking Cams, stats, and records and saying well those are unimportant.
im saying total it all up. tds, yards, turnovers, first downs, etc.

then lay it side by side

not sure where vicks numbers are, doesnt matter.

but remember the original gist of this copnvo.
ELI vs ryan.
let me know who is better and why. another year has gone by and its another opportunity to make a decision.

arent you the same guy that compares ryans yearlies with the other big qbs, manning, brady, rodgers. An that is ok, but its not with Cam
who broke every rookie qb record.

what is it going to be.
Intellectual integrity, or homer spin?

You're so transparent it's pathetic.

Ryan's regular season stats over first 4 years are as good or better than the vast majority of QB's to ever play this game, including Eli and Smith, but according to you none of that matters because it's all about playoffs.

But when it comes to Cam, regular season stats are valid. Cam didn't even get his team sniffing the playoffs, yet now all of a sudden, that doesn't matter.