Off Topic: "Controversial Threads" area - a suggestion

[Drathdon]

(I just had to hear the music after reading your post!)

[swanlee]

I think this thread proves we need another forum for non Falcon posts and a place for trolls to spout off on.

[JDaveG]

(01-29-2013 07:03 AM)swanlee Wrote:  I think this thread proves we need another forum for non Falcon posts and a place for trolls to spout off on.

If that ain't the truth.....

[RFlagg]

(01-29-2013 07:03 AM)swanlee Wrote:  I think this thread proves we need another forum for non Falcon posts and a place for trolls to spout off on.

That or else there might need to be a cooling down period for a few people at this point...

[AsylumGuido]

(01-29-2013 02:24 AM)Drathdon Wrote:  *Sigh*
You tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, and then expect me to educate you against the incorrect information you are spreading as fact? Ok.

When you refer to "gifts," the incentives listed in the CBA are what players & teams are limited to as far as incentives go. There are two types of compensation, beyond salary, allowed to players - Performance and Team. Since these are not performance based (remember the Bountygate, and how that term came into play there?) these must come from the team incentives, where the amount set aside in the pot for each incentive is split evenly among all players on the team.

The rules around how team incentive money is calculated into the salary cap is long-winded and written in legalese so I will refer you to the NFL CBA PDF if you wish to read more about it.

Feel free to ignore all these facts, and just continue to wrongly state that teams can just give players gifts above what another team gives just because they want to, though. I'm sure the realization that Payton placed the man found guilty of illegal compensation of players in charge of making other wives jealous rings no alarms for you.

Gifts given to the families of players do not fall under the guidelines of the CBA and never have. THAT is a fact. Players and their families routinely receive gift baskets or SWAG bags throughout week proceeding the Super Bowl. Every team does this. It is all part and parcel of Super Bowl week. You are the one that is ignoring those facts.

"Ornstein said this psychological warfare is a technique he’s perfected en route to helping teams including the Baltimore Ravens win six Super Bowl titles. It includes making sure the Saints players and their families received extravagant gifts such as cell phones and cameras during the week leading up to the game, and had an opportunity to show them to the Colts."

[AsylumGuido]

(01-29-2013 01:25 AM)Drathdon Wrote:  First, you are overstating things when you say gifts can be given. There are rules. You are wrong there.

Second, do you really think the guy who took down USC and Bush followed those rules? Or that Payton didn't know asking the guy charged with breaking rules on illegal compensation to handle giving gifts to "make the other wives jealous" would be putting a fox in the hen house?

There is corruption all over your team, and no amount of lies of misdirection will ever hide that taint... but feel free to continue to ignore it and claim all is well. I respect you enough to think you would admit there was something rotten in Denmark, and just say it is over now, and the Saint's have moved on. However, your current tactic of pretending none of it was sour makes me wonder if I'm not giving you too much credit.

And I cannot understand why you insist there is any corruption involving the Saints. What are you basing this on? Is it the performance pool thing? That is a common practice in all locker rooms and while some argue it is against the rules it by no means refers corruption. Are you talking about that ridiculous claim that Loomis was wiretapping the other team? That was discredited long ago as sour grapes from an ex-contractor and does not imply corruption.

The Saints are no more corrupt than any other franchise in the league.

[mdrake34]

(01-28-2013 07:06 PM)mdrake34 Wrote:  If we have a separate area for "controversial" topics, no one will use it. Then, because people will still want to discuss "controversial" topics, they will inevitably post about them in the regular forum.

At that point, the mods have two choices. Move a thread infected with a "controversial" topic to the controversial forum and get bitched at for moving it, or don't move it and get bitched out for not moving it.

So, in recap, I think this idea is

[RFlagg]

(01-28-2013 07:06 PM)mdrake34 Wrote:  If we have a separate area for "controversial" topics, no one will use it. Then, because people will still want to discuss "controversial" topics, they will inevitably post about them in the regular forum.

At that point, the mods have two choices. Move a thread infected with a "controversial" topic to the controversial forum and get bitched at for moving it, or don't move it and get bitched out for not moving it.

So, in recap, I think this idea is

This is my feeling towards the arguments that keep popping up at this point.

[mdrake34]

[Drathdon]

(01-29-2013 11:44 AM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  Gifts given to the families of players do not fall under the guidelines of the CBA and never have. THAT is a fact. Players and their families routinely receive gift baskets or SWAG bags throughout week proceeding the Super Bowl. Every team does this. It is all part and parcel of Super Bowl week. You are the one that is ignoring those facts.

"Ornstein said this psychological warfare is a technique he’s perfected en route to helping teams including the Baltimore Ravens win six Super Bowl titles. It includes making sure the Saints players and their families received extravagant gifts such as cell phones and cameras during the week leading up to the game, and had an opportunity to show them to the Colts."

Emphasis mine.
Hypocrite much?