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[Radical]

(10-23-2011 08:59 AM)Greg M Wrote:  You came across as one to me.. sorry..

A bit harsh, sorry. I've become a bit short with people who label me over the years. One month I'm an Obama lover, then I'm a conservative Christian, then I'm a liberal, then I'm a libertarian only because I don't want to confess to being a Republican, and then I'm a socialist, etc. ad infinitum. I get absolutely sick of people more interested in repeating talking points and throwing out labels instead of actually discussing the issue.

To answer the big question that I'm so sure that everyone has been dying to know though... Socially, I'm pretty liberal. Economically, I lean very slightly to the right, but I'm about as centrist as you can get. My current view is that corporatism and our desire to be the world police is the cancer in Washington. Anyways...

[phocis850]

Many does not equal majority.

[Radical]

(10-23-2011 09:37 AM)phocis850 Wrote:  Many does not equal majority.

How about this, how "many" examples of a Muslim attempting to enforce Sharia law on America can you find. I'll wait.

[Beef]

(10-23-2011 08:29 AM)Radical Wrote:  He doesn't say, "extremist Muslims" He says Muslims, many Muslims, or a lot of Muslims. This implies it is a common trend, the norm instead of the exception. There's no way you can conclude that he's strictly speaking about Islamic extremists there.

"Many of the Muslims are not totally dedicated to this country."
"Many Muslims are not dedicated to the Constitution."
"Many of them are trying to force Sharia Law on the people of this country."
"They are trying to push Sharia law on this country."

His whole assertion that the majority of Muslims are out pursuing the implementation of Sharia law on us is absolutely absurd. In fact, I have yet to hear a single instance where a Muslim has tried to legally enforce it upon others. Again, it's bogeyman stories. Spooky Muslims are gonna sneak up on you and ENACT SHARIA LAW ON YOU! BOOGA BOOGA BOOGA!

Ok first of all he doesn't say or imply its "the norm" just by saying "many" or "a lot". And those words certainly don't mean "the majority". You're adding your own slanted definitions to this entire guy's vocabulary it seems.

There's nearly 3 million Muslims in America and even if only 25 thousand of them out of maybe several hundred thousand who aren't children and have the education and capacity to possibly work in government were hardcore Sharia minded Muslims, I'd call that "many" and "a lot".

Again, what part of him saying he WOULD hire a Muslim after the explanation do you not understand??

Second of all, this is just another who gives a flying fuck. Do you want a guy who's PC top to bottom and the perfect politician or a guy who has the best possible solution for fixing this country's biggest problems which are overwhelmingly to do with the economy?

IMO there isn't a single other candidate on either side that has a possible solution to the real problem we face and the current asshole is on a path thats only going to make things much much worse. If we hit $20 trillion in debt, which we easily will under Obama and most of the other candidates, we're beyond fucked. Social Security, Medicare, and pretty much every other government subsidy are ridiculously under-funded and nobody but Cain has a realistic plan to possibly repair any of them.

We're bankrupt and it's time to put a business man in office whos not a politician and wants to fix this problem rather than pander to voters and talk out their ass just to get in a position of power. Everybody else just wants to be President. Cain wants to fix our greatest problem before it destroys this country. And it will sooner than anyone realizes if we don't address it now.

[Hit Stick]

(10-22-2011 12:29 PM)Paulitik Wrote:  That's the most moronic thing I've ever heard. Obama has been hundreds of times more effective foreign policy wise than any republican ever has. He has been much more effective and aggressive against Al Qaeda, and his behind the scenes approach to Libya was far more effective in taking down Qaddafi than Bush's hamfisted approach to getting Hussein.

I have plenty of criticisms with Obama, but the Republicans can't say shit about him when it comes to him on foreign policy. It's time to leave Iraq, and that's what we are doing. If we stay, it's tantamount to being seen as another unnecessary invasion.


If George Bush accomplished close to what Obama has in the last 6 months since taking out OBL, the Republicans would be crying for his bust to be on Mt. Rushmore.

Stopped reading after this statement. You're obviously a biased liberal who thinks Obama is some miracle worker.

People like you shouldn't ever be involved in political conversation because you simply do not know facts, you spew opinion as fact.

[Jesus]

None of it matters. Cain isn't getting the nomination.

[phocis850]

(10-23-2011 09:44 AM)Radical Wrote:  How about this, how "many" examples of a Muslim attempting to enforce Sharia law on America can you find. I'll wait.

Simplified.

Many = a large number of.

1,000 apples out of 3,000 apples.
1,000 apples is a large number of apples.
There are many apples in that bunch.

[Jesus]

(10-23-2011 11:46 AM)phocis850 Wrote:  Simplified.

Many = a large number of.

1,000 apples out of 3,000 apples.
1,000 apples is a large number of apples.
There are many apples in that bunch.

How many bad apples does it take to ruin the whole bunch?

[Paprika Neck]

taking the jimmy carter approach is going to always lead to a power grab by undesirables. i.e. Iran...

[Beef]

(10-23-2011 11:39 AM)Jesus Wrote:  None of it matters. Cain isn't getting the nomination.

You don't know that. Cain came on the scene really late and is already at 12% and has smoked everybody by triple digits in every straw poll since he started. He's going to take off Once the real shit starts and the lay person starts paying attention to this shit. Right now the vast majority could care less who's running.

Cain has Hannity, Beck, Savage, Limbaugh, Cavuto, and Culter only just beginning to voice their support as they've just recently learned about him and begun liking him and his stances. He's going to pull at least a third of the black vote and probably more.

It's silly to make such a definitive prediction with so much time left anyways.