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phalcon phil · 08-30-2011, 10:16 AM

LOL @ 6 seasons when he only played 4 of them. NICE SPIN JESUS! When you have to manipulate facts to prop up your argument, that's when you know it's time to throw in the towel.

cooperbh · 08-30-2011, 10:55 AM

(08-30-2011 02:54 AM)phalcon phil Wrote: 3500 yards for the next 3 years is not unimaginable by any means. He had more than that last year in less than 12 full games lol.

LOL @ "even if you combine his passing and rushing yards"

Why wouldn't you? That's the whole point. His square peg game doesn't fit in your round hole requirements for the HOF. Sorry. Nice try though!

Leaves his prime? Your opinion is your opinion. Just like last year when you laughed at the idea of Vick taking over as starter when Kolb got healthy. You were pretty smug about that as well. Just sayin. You say all this stuff as if its fact and destiny lol, you're confusing your fantasy with reality.

The only time I would have laughed at the idea of Vick as starter is after Andy Reid came out and expressly stated that Kolb would retain that role. Nobody at the time had any clue that he would come back a few days later and do a complete 180 on that decision.

And you give an awfully lot of weight to Vick's rushing, going so far as to call him a QB and RB in one. Tell me, how many RBs do you know of that didn't begin a steep decline when they hit their 30's?

Face it, Vick just has too many things working against him to sustain the type of production necessary to reach the HOF. If injury and/or suspension doesn't get to him, then age surely will.

cooperbh · (This post was last modified: 08-30-2011 11:04 AM by cooperbh.)

(08-30-2011 10:16 AM)phalcon phil Wrote: LOL @ 6 seasons when he only played 4 of them.

That is exactly the point, as far as I'm concerned. Vick has amply proven during his career that, for one reason or another, he is completely incapable of stringing together multiple seasons in which he doesn't miss significant playing time. What makes you think that trend suddenly ends now as Vick enters his age 31-35 years?

phalcon phil · 08-30-2011, 11:10 AM

(08-30-2011 02:58 AM)Paulitik Wrote: He's a shoe in for the dogfighting hall of fame, and has repeatedly won the coveted "Valtrex customer of the year" award for introducing more and more customers to the wonders of Valtrex. If it weren't for Michael Vick, GlaxoSmithKline would have never got the Leavenworth Prison account.

(08-30-2011 10:55 AM)cooperbh Wrote: The only time I would have laughed at the idea of Vick as starter is after Andy Reid came out and expressly stated that Kolb would retain that role. Nobody at the time had any clue that he would come back a few days later and do a complete 180 on that decision.

And you give an awfully lot of weight to Vick's rushing, going so far as to call him a QB and RB in one. Tell me, how many RBs do you know of that didn't begin a steep decline when they hit their 30's?

Face it, Vick just has too many things working against him to sustain the type of production necessary to reach the HOF. If injury and/or suspension doesn't get to him, then age surely will.

Vicks rushing numbers were on top of GREAT passing numbers. his passing numbers ALONE were great. The rushing was just a bonus and a big one that WILL put him in the hall IF...... IF he continues at this pace for the next few years.

With all those things you mentioned working against him, it's great that there's still people out there telling him what he'll never be able to do even after he's proven yall wrong so many times in the last 2 years. Punt returner. CFL. AFL. Back to prison. Clipboard holder. Career 3rd stringer. Nobody will sign a dog killer all the fans will abandon the NFL. Any other straws left to grasp at? Not many.

Average players hit steep declines. Vick doesnt fit in that category. Hes the type of athlete that has skills that will keep him competitive for a long time ala darrell green bruce smith jerry rice t.o. etc...

As much as it may pain you to admit it, Vick isnt your average athlete. As long as he stays healthy he will continue to be a force. Using Mora Era stats and games as proof that he is destined to fail shows desperation to salvage a lost argument. Vick is here to stay. Glad to see him come back after the debacle that was the Mora regime.

phalcon phil · (This post was last modified: 08-30-2011 11:17 AM by phalcon phil.)

(08-30-2011 11:00 AM)cooperbh Wrote: That is exactly the point, as far as I'm concerned. Vick has amply proven during his career that, for one reason or another, he is completely incapable of stringing together multiple seasons in which he doesn't miss significant playing time. What makes you think that trend suddenly ends now as Vick enters his age 31-35 years?

you say that as if he didnt play in 01 due to injury. LOL get real. he missed 1 partial season in his 5 full seasons played here.

hardly bolsters your argument.

nice spin move though maybe you can teach that to the young guys on our dline!

phalcon phil · 08-30-2011, 11:15 AM

those straws are getting fewer and farther between but keep grasping.

Statick · (This post was last modified: 08-30-2011 11:19 AM by Statick.)

Like I stated on the other board, it's good to see that we aren't the only suckers that overpaid that sorry mutha f*cka.

Yes, I'm Black and I'm saying I don't like Mike Vick and I'll never forgive him for the hell he put the organization through.

For those who don't like my opinion, fuck you.

Jesus · (This post was last modified: 08-30-2011 11:24 AM by Jesus.)

He played for the Falcons for 6 years.
Its unfortunate that he could not unseat a veteran starting QB his first year. Ryan did that just fine.

And its unfortunate he broke his leg because he isn't fast enough to out run an LB in preseason. Ryan is a QB and gets rid of the ball so he doesn't put himself in a position to take a potentially hazardous hit.

Sorry Vick was Mr Excitement for a few seasons but was a total waste for most of them in Atlanta. And if you don't think his QB play wasn't at the top of things to blame for the collapse of the Falcons during his last two years of football here, then I'm sorry for you.

phalcon phil · 08-30-2011, 11:27 AM

(08-30-2011 11:18 AM)Statick Wrote: Like I stated on the other board, it's good to see that we aren't the only suckers that overpaid that sorry mutha f*cka.

Yes, I'm Black and I'm saying I don't like Mike Vick and I'll never forgive him for the hell he put the organization through.

For those who don't like my opinion, fuck you.

Actually we got him for a pretty good deal. We wouldnt have been paying vick near as much as philly is this year. We'd be paying less for him than half the qbs in the league the way the contract was structured. It was actually a pretty good deal for both sides. I dont even think vick would have been making 10 mil this year under that deal. A lot of people lost sight of the fact that 10 years is a long time and his contract was going to be undervalued at the back portion.

His contract never crippled us as some people like to suggest. We always had money to sign folks til half our defense was on IR. Poor draft and money management not to mention other areas of the team (namely strength and conditioning) left us fucked. It wasnt a bad contract had the proper staff and personell been available. We saw last year in Philly what he was capable of with playmakers and decent coaching.

phalcon phil · 08-30-2011, 11:30 AM

(08-30-2011 11:20 AM)Jesus Wrote: He played for the Falcons for 6 years.
Its unfortunate that he could not unseat a veteran starting QB his first year. Ryan did that just fine.

And its unfortunate he broke his leg because he isn't fast enough to out run an LB in preseason. Ryan is a QB and gets rid of the ball so he doesn't put himself in a position to take a potentially hazardous hit.

Sorry Vick was Mr Excitement for a few seasons but was a total waste for most of them in Atlanta. And if you don't think his QB play wasn't at the top of things to blame for the collapse of the Falcons during his last two years of football here, then I'm sorry for you.

Ryan also played his 4 full years of college. Vick came in and not only started for the falcons in what would have been his senior year in college, but led atlanta to the playoffs and a victory in GB. You just love being owned dont you? LOL

Vicks qb play wasnt the greatest when he left i never said it was. Just that it had to do with more than just him. Some people act is if he was the weakest link in a guaranteed juggernaut of a super bowl dynasty. LOL GET REAL and give it up already