NFL: Vilma Suspended 1 year

[ATLBound]

(05-06-2012 11:00 AM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  That's where we differ. I can't believe a single one would have said let's do it and until someone shows me actual proof I will continue to believe in them.

I preface my next remareks with an apology because I don't mean to undermine your intelligence and wisdom, but I know for sure you are older than me.

And given that wisdom that you have gained in life I find it very hard to believe that you would have so much faith in even just ONE person on that Saints team that would not be opposed to an idea of a pay for injury or cart offs system.

Understand that I know we differ on the factual evidence. I'm not debating that. This is also a reason why that article did nothing for me, because I'm not making any decisions so i don't need to have any evidence released. I wouldn't mind it, but there is no drive for me. The person who wrote that article though...his job is much much easier if evidence is released. Every last single person in the media wants the evidence to be released so the author of this article wanting it to be released means absolutely nothing to me.

But regardless of facts do you really believe that if any Saints players or any players around the NFL knew for a fact that they couldn't get caught or punished that they would not agree to this?

If you do, then you are extremely naive at an older age no less and nobody can help you.

[AsylumGuido]

(05-06-2012 01:50 PM)ATLBound Wrote:  I preface my next remareks with an apology because I don't mean to undermine your intelligence and wisdom, but I know for sure you are older than me.

And given that wisdom that you have gained in life I find it very hard to believe that you would have so much faith in even just ONE person on that Saints team that would not be opposed to an idea of a pay for injury or cart offs system.

Understand that I know we differ on the factual evidence. I'm not debating that. This is also a reason why that article did nothing for me, because I'm not making any decisions so i don't need to have any evidence released. I wouldn't mind it, but there is no drive for me. The person who wrote that article though...his job is much much easier if evidence is released. Every last single person in the media wants the evidence to be released so the author of this article wanting it to be released means absolutely nothing to me.

But regardless of facts do you really believe that if any Saints players or any players around the NFL knew for a fact that they couldn't get caught or punished that they would not agree to this?

If you do, then you are extremely naive at an older age no less and nobody can help you.

Yes, I wouldn't be surprised if one or more might think about it in every locker room, but given the fact that the vast majority wouldn't, I can't see it taking place. More than one or two would have to buy into it for it to become a "system" as Goodell has claimed the Saints were running. I can't imagine that happening in any locker room. Money passing hands does not mean that a bounty existed.

[ATLBound]

(05-06-2012 02:28 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  More than one or two would have to buy into it for it to become a "system" as Goodell has claimed the Saints were running. I can't imagine that happening in any locker room.

I disagree totally. The one or two or three or four involved could be LEADERS which would bring in followers and allow for this "system" to proceed.

This statement "I can't imagine that happening in any locker room" makes you extremely naive. I'm not saying it's a strong possibility, but it is a possibility in ANY locker room. All you need is a coach with that type of attitude (Gregg) and that same coach to target the leaders of the defense and persuade or get them to buy in.

I understand fully how ONE person who is a leader and has the gift of gab can cause all sorts of things.

Hence the reasons we have riots, cults, civil rights movements, protestings, petitions, fraternities, etc. Reverend Jim Jones anyone?

All of these things whether right or wrong started from one person, mainly a leader, saying "I'll do it" and then getting another person to buy in and another and so on and so forth.

Once again I am not debating whether they did it or not anymore with you. I'm not debating facts or not with you because you're too far gone to speak any sense in you. At this point you're at the point where you believe this could NEVER EVER happen in any locker room. I'm extremely flabbergasted at that notion.

[phocis850]

Guido, you can't let your heart make the decision for you.

[Beef]

Everyone just stop trying rationalize with the galacticly retarded Saints homer and let this shit die. It's going nowhere and it never will. The guy is "politely" trolling the fuck out of this place and you're all just feeding him, giving him exactly what he wants.

We all know what really happened and so does he. He's spinning this proof proof proof bullshit just to get a rise out of this place and that's all it is.

GW had a pay for injury program, a bunch of Saints players participated and even created targets and rewards of their own, and when they all got busted for it, they lied. This includes Payton, Loomis, Vitt, and probably several others.

And this type of stuff goes on all over the NFL. Just happens the Saints were already on the radar and were stupid enough to keep it up knowing they were given fair warning.

Anyone who thinks other than this is a fucking moron or a troll or likely just both. And just because you're "polite" about it and essentially following the rules doesn't make you any less a troll. You know they are guilty yet you debate the opposite=trolling.

[Anomaly]

(05-06-2012 03:36 PM)Beef Wrote:  Everyone just stop trying rationalize with the galacticly retarded Saints homer and let this shit die. It's going nowhere and it never will. The guy is "politely" trolling the fuck out of this place and you're all just feeding him, giving him exactly what he wants.

We all know what really happened and so does he. He's spinning this proof proof proof bullshit just to get a rise out of this place and that's all it is.

GW had a pay for injury program, a bunch of Saints players participated and even created targets and rewards of their own, and when they all got busted for it, they lied. This includes Payton, Loomis, Vitt, and probably several others.

And this type of stuff goes on all over the NFL. Just happens the Saints were already on the radar and were stupid enough to keep it up knowing they were given fair warning.

Anyone who thinks other than this is a fucking moron or a troll or likely just both. And just because you're "polite" about it and essentially following the rules doesn't make you any less a troll. You know they are guilty yet you debate the opposite=trolling.

Bingo

[AsylumGuido]

(05-06-2012 03:25 PM)phocis850 Wrote:  Guido, you can't let your heart make the decision for you.

I'm not. I am letting the facts make the decision and I have not seen one single piece of evidence that conclusively said there was a pay to injure program going on. Did you read that last article that I linked to? I'm not the only one that had very serious doubts as to Goodell's claims. People that the league interviewed have serious questions as the league ignore facts contrary to what they were hoping to find.

[AsylumGuido]

(05-06-2012 03:36 PM)Beef Wrote:  Everyone just stop trying rationalize with the galacticly retarded Saints homer and let this shit die. It's going nowhere and it never will. The guy is "politely" trolling the fuck out of this place and you're all just feeding him, giving him exactly what he wants.

We all know what really happened and so does he. He's spinning this proof proof proof bullshit just to get a rise out of this place and that's all it is.

GW had a pay for injury program, a bunch of Saints players participated and even created targets and rewards of their own, and when they all got busted for it, they lied. This includes Payton, Loomis, Vitt, and probably several others.

And this type of stuff goes on all over the NFL. Just happens the Saints were already on the radar and were stupid enough to keep it up knowing they were given fair warning.

Anyone who thinks other than this is a fucking moron or a troll or likely just both. And just because you're "polite" about it and essentially following the rules doesn't make you any less a troll. You know they are guilty yet you debate the opposite=trolling.

Personally, I don't care what you believe. For your mental well being why don't you ignore this thread from here out? I'd hate to see you get banned for constantly violating the limited rules. Or is directly calling someone a "fucking moron" a term of endearment for you?

[ATLBound]

I would really like to hear your response to the notion that this couldn't ever happen

[TeamPlayer1]

Guido, you haven't commented on the Times-Picayune article I posted earlier today. By the way I prefer the term "stealth troll" and would never describe anyone as a f-----g m---n even if they were. But that's just me.