NFL: Vilma Suspended 1 year

[Radical]

(05-03-2012 07:20 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  Because there has not been one shred of tangible evidence of the fact. There has been nothing but talk. I have no doubt that players put up money for the pay for performance program. Heath Evans said every team he ever played on had one of those. Joe Horn said the Falcons had one when he played with them, as well. But, that is far, far different than paying to injure.

So the email between Payton and that agent saying that have 3,000 or whatever on Rodgers isn't proof? The audio of Williams giving that speech isn't proof? The fact they've admitted to do openly isn't proof? What do you want, video evidence of them meeting in a closed room talking like cartoon villains while signing a lawyer written contract with ink made of their blood, while no less than two of your friends and a close member of your family overlooks the whole thing?

[AsylumGuido]

(05-03-2012 06:51 PM)Radical Wrote:  Considering the fact he posts the same stuff on the Saints board he calls home and everywhere else he goes to, I don't think he's trolling. He seriously believes what he posts. Delusional homer? I'd say so. Troll. No.

Yes, I seriously believe what I post because I have been a part of the media for several years and know what can be believed ... very little. I have also worked closely with college sports information departments and professional leagues and know what is released is not necessarily all of the facts.

I choose not to let others make up my mind for me. I choose to make my own decisions. That is not delusional. That is real, true and honest.

[Beef]

(05-03-2012 07:30 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  Yes, I seriously believe what I post because I have been a part of the media for several years and know what can be believed ... very little. I have also worked closely with college sports information departments and professional leagues and know what is released is not necessarily all of the facts.

I choose not to let others make up my mind for me. I choose to make my own decisions. That is not delusional. That is real, true and honest.

An agent sent an email that said put me down for $5k to take out Rodgers. Peyton admitted openly that this was a "bounty".

WHAT THE FUCK PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND AS BEING PROOF??

You're being an obnoxious baby about this shit. I feel like I'm watching a 10 year old purposly forget parts of a story so they can cross their arms, stick out their bottom lip and just go "nuh uh!" over and over.

They fucking paid for injury dude. Stop your nonsense.

[AsylumGuido]

(05-03-2012 07:26 PM)Radical Wrote:  So the email between Payton and that agent saying that have 3,000 or whatever on Rodgers isn't proof? The audio of Williams giving that speech isn't proof? The fact they've admitted to do openly isn't proof? What do you want, video evidence of them meeting in a closed room talking like cartoon villains while signing a lawyer written contract with ink made of their blood, while no less than two of your friends and a close member of your family overlooks the whole thing?

I already addressed the email. It was from Mike Ornstein, a slimeball that has been characterized as being so cheap he wouldn't come up with a quarter to help you buy a Coke. The email was probably the only piece of evidence gathered from the 18,000 emails consisting of 50,000 pages that were downloaded from the Saints email address on the NFL server.

The email, which Payton claims to have never read before it was shown to him, said in a PS, "I put $5000 on Rogers with Greg". When asked by the league if this could have been referring to bounty he said that it could have been.

When Ornstein was approached on the subject he said it was nothing more than a joke. A bad one, but a joke nonetheless.

The Williams' speech was over the top. Far over the top, but in no way was it proof that any opposing player was ever injured intentionally for money. Nothing in the tape pointed to a bounty program. Zip. Zero. Nada.

I want something that I truly do not think exists. REAL solid evidence that money for the express intent to injure players was passed for said deed. To date it has not been shared with us, the public, or with the NFLPA. And this is after Goodell supposedly showed the NFLPA all of the evidence.

[AsylumGuido]

(05-03-2012 07:42 PM)Beef Wrote:  An agent sent an email that said put me down for $5k to take out Rodgers. Peyton admitted openly that this was a "bounty".

WHAT THE FUCK PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND AS BEING PROOF??

You're being an obnoxious baby about this shit. I feel like I'm watching a 10 year old purposly forget parts of a story so they can cross their arms, stick out their bottom lip and just go "nuh uh!" over and over.

They fucking paid for injury dude. Stop your nonsense.

Wrong. That was not what the email PS said and that was not Payton's reply. You read what you want to read and you believe what you wish to believe. What is the difference between supposedly forgetting parts of a story and "misremembering" parts of the story as you just did?

[Beef]

(05-03-2012 07:48 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  Wrong. That was not what the email PS said and that was not Payton's reply. You read what you want to read and you believe what you wish to believe. What is the difference between supposedly forgetting parts of a story and "misremembering" parts of the story as you just did?

BS. What I said is what was intended and everyone knows it.

What you interpret is complete nonsense.

Offering $5k on Rodgers cannot be interpretted to mean anything other than for injury. There's no logical alternative.

And, why the fuck is Peyton getting that in an email? Again, the ONLY logical answer is because somebody thinks it's ok to tell him about bounties. And why the fuck would anyone think that's ok if it wasn't?

You're full of shit, period.

[pauliwood]

I have a feeling the end is near.

[AsylumGuido]

(05-03-2012 07:55 PM)Beef Wrote:  BS. What I said is what was intended and everyone knows it.

What you interpret is complete nonsense.

Offering $5k on Rodgers cannot be interpretted to mean anything other than for injury. There's no logical alternative.

And, why the fuck is Peyton getting that in an email? Again, the ONLY logical answer is because somebody thinks it's ok to tell him about bounties. And why the fuck would anyone think that's ok if it wasn't?

You're full of shit, period.

Ornstein said that the email PS was a joke. Not a real offer. And it jokingly said that he made an offer to "Greg", he wasn't making one with Payton. Funny thing is why did he misspell Williams' last name (Greg, instead of Gregg) and the GB QB's name, (Rogers, instead of Rodgers)?

Don't forget that Payton's first time ever seeing that email was when the league showed it to him. If he had read the email how do you know he would have been okay with it?

[AsylumGuido]

(05-03-2012 08:01 PM)pauliwood Wrote:  I have a feeling the end is near.

Goodell's? Probably.

[Beef]

(05-03-2012 08:10 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  Ornstein said that the email PS was a joke. Not a real offer. And it jokingly said that he made an offer to "Greg", he wasn't making one with Payton. Funny thing is why did he misspell Williams' last name (Greg, instead of Gregg) and the GB QB's name, (Rogers, instead of Rodgers)?

Don't forget that Payton's first time ever seeing that email was when the league showed it to him. If he had read the email how do you know he would have been okay with it?

Of course he's going to say it was a joke. When my 12 year old says something nasty to my 9 year old and I call her out on it, guess what she says... I was just joking. It's the lame fucking excuse everyone uses when they're trying to downplay the severity of something they did wrong. Even children know how to use that bullshit.

And of course Peyton is going to say that's the first time he ever saw that email. But you nor I knows if that's the truth. And guess what, he's a liar. He lied about plenty of things surrounding all this stuff before coming clean. Once a liar, always a liar. You choosing to blindly believe him has less credence than me choosing not to. I have precedent of him being a liar.

And in the end, why the hell would anyone think it's ok to send him a joking email about puting a bounty on anyone??

You can spin the possibilities about that question all you want, but everyone and their mother knows the overwhelmingly logical answer is because Peyton is ok with and familiar with discussions about offering money on opposing players.

If you don't know WTF a bounty is, how are you even supposed to understand what "I put $5000 on Rogers with Greg." means?? That's a tremendously ambiguous statement if you're sending it to someone who has no idea what putting money on a player is supposed to mean.

So whether Peyton even saw that email or not, it's obvious he had to be familiar with the verbage and understand it, otherwise it makes no sense he would even receive it. In other words, he knew exactly what it meant.