NFL: Tarkenton: Bounties Not Part Of The Game In Any Way

[AsylumGuido]

(03-07-2012 08:06 PM)cooperbh Wrote:  A certain GM and head coach could have stopped it at any time with just one word. They said nothing. How do you feel about them?

They would never had been in that position if it wasn't for him. Besides, who is to say they did tell him to stop and he didn't? It could have easily gone exclusively into the defensive room. I can see Loomis and Payton taking the hit for Benson as the owner. That would also explain why Benson gave Loomis and Payton his full support after the matter.

You have to admit is is a possibility, right?

[phocis850]

(03-07-2012 08:37 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  They would never had been in that position if it wasn't for him. Besides, who is to say they did tell him to stop and he didn't? It could have easily gone exclusively into the defensive room. I can see Loomis and Payton taking the hit for Benson as the owner. That would also explain why Benson gave Loomis and Payton his full support after the matter.

You have to admit is is a possibility, right?

I disagree. A DC doesn't override the HC.

[AsylumGuido]

(03-07-2012 09:23 PM)phocis850 Wrote:  I disagree. A DC doesn't override the HC.

Remember that the money all came from the players, some outside asshole and Williams himself. Williams had nothing to hold over Payton's head. No overriding is necessary. They are claiming that Joe Gibbs had no idea it was going on in Washington. Why couldn't Williams hide it all again?

It is not a case of the DC overriding the HC. All it would take is for the DC to take it "underground" just like in Washington where Payton and Loomis felt it had been addressed.

I'm not saying this is the case, yet it is entirely possible. It would make sense for Payton and Loomis to take hit instead of admitting they were duped by Williams. It would take the pressure off of Benson and it may have even been a deal with the league.

The NFL is a corporation and will do whatever they feel is best to cover their ass. What we see and hear may not approach the truth.

[ATLBound]

(03-07-2012 06:21 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  No, they had a program in place that was partially aimed at knocking players out of games and they weren't very successful at it. The primary purpose was to reward big plays such as forced fumble, picks and sacks. One part of it was very, very wrong. The rest was also clearly against leagues rules, but far less egregious.

As far as intent to hurt, every defensive player in the league intends to hurt their opponents on every play. Note I said hurt, not injure.

Their lack of success doesn't meam ANYTHING. Just like someone said earlier. I attempted to murder someone but failed doesn't make less wrong. What kind of logic is that?

[ATLBound]

Still the key is the encouragement to injure a player. Whether this affected only 1 of the 27 players involved it did affect someone's playing style. And although nothing came off it...something could have. The reason anybody defending this has a leg to stand on is because nobody got seriously injured.

BUT if someone's career ended bc of this or was lost for a season or more then it becomes a heck of a lot more serious. Defenders are looking at the results and saying it had no impact but that POSSIBILITY no matter how small or large is a HUGE deal. Lets not overlook that. Im just appalled at the amount of people defending this to any degree.

[TeamPlayer1]

(03-07-2012 10:00 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  Remember that the money all came from the players, some outside asshole and Williams himself. Williams had nothing to hold over Payton's head. No overriding is necessary. They are claiming that Joe Gibbs had no idea it was going on in Washington. Why couldn't Williams hide it all again?

It is not a case of the DC overriding the HC. All it would take is for the DC to take it "underground" just like in Washington where Payton and Loomis felt it had been addressed.

I'm not saying this is the case, yet it is entirely possible. It would make sense for Payton and Loomis to take hit instead of admitting they were duped by Williams. It would take the pressure off of Benson and it may have even been a deal with the league.

The NFL is a corporation and will do whatever they feel is best to cover their ass. What we see and hear may not approach the truth.

Goodell will drop the hammer on the Saints and you know it. You don't have to try to convince us.

[AsylumGuido]

(03-07-2012 11:23 PM)ATLBound Wrote:  Still the key is the encouragement to injure a player. Whether this affected only 1 of the 27 players involved it did affect someone's playing style. And although nothing came off it...something could have. The reason anybody defending this has a leg to stand on is because nobody got seriously injured.

BUT if someone's career ended bc of this or was lost for a season or more then it becomes a heck of a lot more serious. Defenders are looking at the results and saying it had no impact but that POSSIBILITY no matter how small or large is a HUGE deal. Lets not overlook that. Im just appalled at the amount of people defending this to any degree.

I am appalled at the number of people who are appalled at what could have been with what the Saints did, yet ignore the very real INJURIES delivered by the Steelers and James Harrison. Where is the outrage there?

And where is the outrage at the 49ers over the EIGHT RB's that were completely knocked out of games this season alone? Where is the outrage that these were relished by both the team and their fan base?

Nobody is defending what the Saints did. They are asking why are the Saints alone being chastised for a behavior that is well engrained throughout the NFL. They are not pardoning the Saints at all. They are wondering why everyone else has received and continue to receive a bye for far more effectively harmful acts?

Be honest ... how much of your outrage is associated with the principle of what could have happened and how much is associated with the fact that you hate the Saints with all of your heart?

[AsylumGuido]

(03-07-2012 11:44 PM)TeamPlayer1 Wrote:  Goodell will drop the hammer on the Saints and you know it. You don't have to try to convince us.

Of course he is going to drop the hammer. No doubt about that. While I doubt that hammer will greatly affect the on the field performance of the Saints this coming season, I am sure it will greatly affect many pocketbooks to a greater degree than has ever been seen before in the NFL.

[dmo_dlo]

(03-07-2012 11:56 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  I am appalled at the number of people who are appalled at what could have been with what the Saints did, yet ignore the very real INJURIES delivered by the Steelers and James Harrison. Where is the outrage there?

And where is the outrage at the 49ers over the EIGHT RB's that were completely knocked out of games this season alone? Where is the outrage that these were relished by both the team and their fan base?

When it's proven that those injuries were premeditated, planned, and paid for then we will be appalled. Until then the official "dirty" and "classless" title in the NFL belongs, beyond any doubt, to the Saints. There's just no denying that fact after this scandal.

There is no question that as a Falcon fan I enjoy the mess the Saints have gotten themselves into, but the assessment above has nothing to do with being a Falcon fan. Your denial on the other hand, is obviously homerism. You would not have been so forgiving if it was the falcons DC or HC who had paid for intentionally injuring players.

[cooperbh]

(03-07-2012 11:56 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  And where is the outrage at the 49ers over the EIGHT RB's that were completely knocked out of games this season alone? Where is the outrage that these were relished by both the team and their fan base?

Just looking at the 49ers schedule, I see Felix Jones, Jahvid Best, Montario Hardesty, Beanie Wells (twice), and Steven Jackson (twice.) Have any of those guys ever made it through an entire game without leaving with an injury at some point?

So, who were the eight RBs that got knocked out and what were the injuries? I know Best was one of them and the injury was a concussion because I had him on my fantasy team last season. Which is how I also know the injury had nothing to do with anything a 49er player did. What happened with the others?

(03-07-2012 11:56 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  Nobody is defending what the Saints did. They are asking why are the Saints alone being chastised for a behavior that is well engrained throughout the NFL. They are not pardoning the Saints at all. They are wondering why everyone else has received and continue to receive a bye for far more effectively harmful acts?

What do you think it is? Did the league just arbitrarily decide to turn on the Saints? Entertain us with the football version of 'Loose Change.'