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FireDawg85 · 03-14-2012, 12:28 PM

(03-14-2012 12:20 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: And that claim applied to the 2009 season. Even if true, what about the claims that it was going on in 2011? Something is amiss.

So when it worked so well in 2009 and Williams was doing it with teams prior, why would they have stopped in 2011?

cooperbh · 03-14-2012, 01:49 PM

(03-14-2012 08:32 AM)AsylumGuido Wrote: There is no doubt that pay for performance was going on. The guy even says that side bets were rampant among players.

"Players were making side bets," Naipohn said. "You know, 'I'll get a pick before you,' or 'I'll get a pick and you won't,' or 'I'll have more red zone tackles than you,' big plays."

But, this crap that the media has run with concerning "bounties" and "cartoffs" and "knockouts" was NOT going on, at least during 2011 as the media has claimed.

And this is not Saints PR. This is a story by a very well established Times-Picayune writer. Once all of the "evidence" becomes available I am sure we will all see that this whole thing was a lot less damning than the main stream media made it out to be.

Again, I put zero credence into anything that some Williams crony who gets paid by the Saints has to say. If it makes you feel better about your tainted "championship" however, knock yourself out.

cooperbh · 03-14-2012, 01:55 PM

(03-14-2012 12:28 PM)FireDawg85 Wrote: So when it worked so well in 2009 and Williams was doing it with teams prior, why would they have stopped in 2011?

For most teams, being specifically told to stop by the commisioner of the NFL would be a good enough reason.

AsylumGuido · 03-14-2012, 01:58 PM

(03-14-2012 12:28 PM)FireDawg85 Wrote: So when it worked so well in 2009 and Williams was doing it with teams prior, why would they have stopped in 2011?

Perhaps because they were told to stop?

AsylumGuido · 03-14-2012, 01:59 PM

(03-14-2012 01:55 PM)cooperbh Wrote: For most teams, being specifically told to stop by the commisioner of the NFL would be a good enough reason.

Yup. That could explain why they stopped if they were doing it.

V Chip · 03-14-2012, 03:47 PM

This "told to stop" idea is ridiculous -- do you realize if the league knew about it, told them to stop, but didn't ensure that it stopped by fining/suspending/whatever then the league is as culpable as the Saints? There is no way the league "told them to stop" and then the Saints continued on. The best this could be is the league had no idea if it were happening or not but told them "make sure one isn't happening." And in THAT case, again the league is as culpable as the Saints management is down to the level of the persons who actually KNEW it was going on at the time -- and the only person so far (besides players) who has acknowledged that they knew about it is Gregg Williams.

**Radical** · 03-14-2012, 03:50 PM

The league was caught wind of it and inquired about it. The Saints lied, said nothing was going on, and then covered it up. It is the GM of the Saints on down who is at fault. Williams being the mastermind, but Payton and the GM allowed it to continue.

Beef · 03-14-2012, 05:13 PM

You can quote some guy who's clearly biased because he gets paid to do a job for the Saints, and continue to try and make excuses or rationalize or flat out deny wrong-doing all you want, but when Goodell comes back with fines, suspensions, cap reduction, and takes away draft picks, I assure you it's not going to be because some players got paid $500 bucks for an interception or a sack.

This "It's only about pay for performance" shit and "bounties didn't happen in 2011 so it's less of a deal than everyone is making it out to be" is laughable. You're so full of total BS denial it's pathetic.

Stop with the "Oh we know they did wrong and will be punished accordingly, BUT..........." stuff. There is no "BUT....". Take your shit like a man and stop trying to add something that tries to downplay the situation. Any thing you say after "BUT...." is nothing more than blind homeristic denial-filled biased as hell bullshit and EVERYONE other than Saint's fans knows it. So the only one you're fooling is yourself.

AsylumGuido · 03-14-2012, 05:31 PM

(03-14-2012 05:13 PM)Beef Wrote: You can quote some guy who's clearly biased because he gets paid to do a job for the Saints, and continue to try and make excuses or rationalize or flat out deny wrong-doing all you want, but when Goodell comes back with fines, suspensions, cap reduction, and takes away draft picks, I assure you it's not going to be because some players got paid $500 bucks for an interception or a sack.

This "It's only about pay for performance" shit and "bounties didn't happen in 2011 so it's less of a deal than everyone is making it out to be" is laughable. You're so full of total BS denial it's pathetic.

Stop with the "Oh we know they did wrong and will be punished accordingly, BUT..........." stuff. There is no "BUT....". Take your shit like a man and stop trying to add something that tries to downplay the situation. Any thing you say after "BUT...." is nothing more than blind homeristic denial-filled biased as hell bullshit and EVERYONE other than Saint's fans knows it. So the only one you're fooling is yourself.

Once again, the only penalty that you mentioned that would be of any concern at all would be cap reductions, and I can't see that happening at all.

TeamPlayer1 · 03-15-2012, 12:40 AM

(03-14-2012 01:59 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: Yup. That could explain why they stopped if they were doing it.

Of course we should believe everything you say because you have no agenda.

Get outta here!