NFL: So the spread, zone option offense will never work in the NFL huh?

[Xanthri]

The problem I see with this type of offense....is they score too fast and that puts the game always on your defense....most Defenses breakdown with that much time on the field....look at our run and shoot days....sure we would score a lot but then our defense would be so tired that we would get outscored.......you almost have to have 2 full defensive squads to make this really work....people seem to forget colleges have MANY more folks on the sidelines that they can sub into the game.....

[mdrake34]

Here's my follow up: RGIII can't take those hits the rest of his career, or the rest of his career will only last 3 more years. Ideally, he needs to be able to develop his skills as a pocket passer and morph into a pocket passer who can run if needed like McNabb was able to do. At that point Shanaclan can go back to calling predominantly one cut counter running plays and play action passes. But for now, they have found a nearly perfect balance to ensure RGIII's early success.

It's hard to have much success with Deangelo Hall as your starting CB though.

[ATLBound]

(12-06-2012 04:14 PM)mdrake34 Wrote:  Here's my follow up: RGIII can't take those hits the rest of his career, or the rest of his career will only last 3 more years. Ideally, he needs to be able to develop his skills as a pocket passer and morph into a pocket passer who can run if needed like McNabb was able to do. At that point Shanaclan can go back to calling predominantly one cut counter running plays and play action passes. But for now, they have found a nearly perfect balance to ensure RGIII's early success.

It's hard to have much success with Deangelo Hall as your starting CB though.

This response is the answer to your original post. Its exactly why people say it wont work in the NFL (Not For Long).

Because you understand as does everybody debating this that if RGIII doesn't continue to develop his skills as a pocket passer, then he will get shut down.

Ultimately, being a pocket passer is the way to go. Running will always be secondary and as long as RGIII continues to develop as a pocket passer, the offense will continue to evolve and becoming less and less a run option, because now as a coach you don't want your skilled pocket passer running the risk of getting injured.

[TeamPlayer1]

I'm not sure if you remember the short experimentation with the wishbone offense in the NFL. The offense was awesome in the college game, Texas with coach Royal and the Oklahoma teams that had 700+ yds rushing one game with Jack Mildren and Greg Pruitt were stunning.

The solution in the NFL was to pound the QB on every play. Any time the QB ran outside the tackles the QB was drilled on every play because the option depends on deception.

How long does the star QB survive the heavy hits?

[ATLBound]

Also another reason a lot of people actually like the run option is because your other offensive position dont have to be as skilled.

Your O-line dont really need to be strong in pass blocking, just need to hold long enough.

Your WR's don't need to be tall or that great at route running. Just fast

Your RB just needs a cutback ability, hence Morris being a 7th rounder

[Dale4Saul2Red0]

It's not going to work. Let these NFL coaches break down all the film they get on RGIII after a season. They'll figure things out and like it was already mentioned he cannot continue to take those hits or he'll miss games. The offense can look as nice as it wants but if RGIII is missing a few games every couple of years those missed games could mean missed playoff berths. Not going to cut it. Also Steve Young pointed out what a lot of people are starting to notice. RGIII has yet to have to go past his first read much through out this season and just stares down his #1 progression. Right now the way to beat the Redskins is to keep Griffin in the pocket and make him make decisions and force him to go through progressions. He has yet to taken that step yet which is why I believe he'll have a soph slump like a lot of QB's do.

[AsylumGuido]

(12-06-2012 07:26 PM)Dale4Saul2Red0 Wrote:  It's not going to work. Let these NFL coaches break down all the film they get on RGIII after a season. They'll figure things out and like it was already mentioned he cannot continue to take those hits or he'll miss games. The offense can look as nice as it wants but if RGIII is missing a few games every couple of years those missed games could mean missed playoff berths. Not going to cut it. Also Steve Young pointed out what a lot of people are starting to notice. RGIII has yet to have to go past his first read much through out this season and just stares down his #1 progression. Right now the way to beat the Redskins is to keep Griffin in the pocket and make him make decisions and force him to go through progressions. He has yet to taken that step yet which is why I believe he'll have a soph slump like a lot of QB's do.

I was going to post almost the exact same breakdown. But, after reading yours, and I can say is that you nailed my take exactly.

Great breakdown!

[babuka]

So a run game based off of a QB telegraphing a run with one running back going to one hole with no misdirection is solid football and hard to scheme against. But a running game where there is a lot of misdirection, where the defense has to tackle three different possible ball carriers, and they can still throw the ball using the same concepts as the first scenario is gimmicky and easy to scheme against. That is so stupid. Some of these football people are so simple minded in their ways of thinking. It is and can be an amazing offense with people like RGIII running it in the NFL, but their is a greater risk of injury and roster size limitations, and contracts, and salary caps that become new issues in the NFL not seen in college. That is the biggest hurdle. Risking your franchise QB to injury every week.

[AsylumGuido]

(12-06-2012 09:04 PM)babuka Wrote:  So a run game based off of a QB telegraphing a run with one running back going to one hole with no misdirection is solid football and hard to scheme against. But a running game where there is a lot of misdirection, where the defense has to tackle three different possible ball carriers, and they can still throw the ball using the same concepts as the first scenario is gimmicky and easy to scheme against. That is so stupid. Some of these football people are so simple minded in their ways of thinking. It is and can be an amazing offense with people like RGIII running it in the NFL, but their is a greater risk of injury and roster size limitations, and contracts, and salary caps that become new issues in the NFL not seen in college. That is the biggest hurdle. Risking your franchise QB to injury every week.

And that is the very reason why it won't work. Teams will take out the QB in that type of offense. Not just one or two teams, but every team will make sure they hit the QB.

That is the pure definition of "cut off the head and the body will die". Griffin is not going to succeed in the current offensive scheme ... literally. They have to transition him to a pocket oriented attack.

[babuka]

(12-06-2012 10:08 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  Griffin is not likely to succeed in the current offensive scheme in the long term due to the build up of injuries due to the increased hits taken while running the ball. Eventually they will have to transition him to a pocket oriented attack where the option is still an occasional threat but one used less often.

Now if you would have said that it would be hard to disagree with you. Your previous statement is just mindlessly bashing the offensive style, when in reality as a short term solution it is a schematically better offense than a pro style. It is just hard to be consistent long term with your QB in that offense. Now if a team wanted to go full triple option/pistol and signed every Vince Young, Tebow, Slash type player they could for the cheap and have a stable of QBs to run it, it would be interesting. Not as dangerous as with a RGIII, but less worry about keeping your no 1 QB healthy. A better offense than some of these awful teams in the NFL with bad QB play running a traditional pro style.