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Beef · (This post was last modified: 09-25-2012 07:37 AM by Beef.)

(09-25-2012 12:59 AM)Drathdon Wrote: I don't understand what's so bad about this. Sure it sucks to lose this way, but if you don't want to, keep your QB from eating dirt 9 times!

It was simultaneous possession. Impossible to tell who actually had the ball (meaning it goes to the offense). Sure GB had MORE ball, but Tate had the ball too... and had both hands on it, which is why the ref called TD. I mean, he had both hands on it.... how do you not say both hands is not enough? I've seen the "regular" refs make the same call many times (just not as the last play of the game).

People are making a big deal to create drama...

The review could not reverse the Ref call on possession, only whether it was caught or not. People acting like the replay would have given it to GB are wrong. The replay was not the issue. As for the "pass interference" - every Hail Mary has that kind of jockeying, and it is never called, replacements or no.

This was a judgement call, and the ref made his judgement (substantiated by the two hands on the ball, which ESPN keeps ignoring, calling it one arm). EVERY judgement call will be controversial. Nothing, including giving in to the refs (which some of their demands - not the money, but the operational ones - are ridiculous), will change that.

I saw something different on the slow-mo.

Jennings had two hands on the ball first and with control pulled it into his chest. Tate had 1 hand between the ball and Jenning's chest and when Jennings pulled it into his body, Tate's hand/arm was locked in place. Tate's right hand was moving freely until they hit the ground and THEN Tate had both hands on the ball. You can clearly see Tate adjusting his right hand after they've hit the ground, trying to get a better grip on the ball. Jennings has both hands on it, cradled in his arm, and pinned up against his body while Tate isn't even close to having that much touching the ball.

Jennings had possession first. It was not simultaneous. Both ESPN and NFLN each had a retired Ref commentator come in and both said the exact same thing, that it was actually not simultaneous and Jennings caught it fully before Tate got both hands on it. And they were right, that's exactly what I saw on the replay as well.

Jesus · 09-25-2012, 08:32 AM

I'm sorry but I don't buy that there is any difference between these refs and the regular ones. Every year there are numerous games that are decided by a bad call or missed call or even a good call.

Remember the CJ catch a few years ago that necessitated a rule change?
Roddy's push off against the Ravens that led to a huge win?
Jennings no touch muff of the punt against the Eagles that could not be reviewed?
How many times do you yell at the TV when Abe is held?

Those are a few I remember but everyone complains when the refs miss calls then complain when they make calls. The refs are in a no win situation every week. Look at Belichik attack the ref after the game Sunday night despite the fact that the ref made the correct call with the field goal.

There is holding on every play in the NFL and some kind of pass interference on every pass play. Either they call it or they don't.

This is not the "Scary National Nightmare" that ESPN claims. It's only football. If this Goodell's plan to defer attention away from the head injury lawsuits than way to go. Cause that worked.

Beef · 09-25-2012, 09:01 AM

I don't think it's the same. These refs are taking 3x longer to make their calls and killing momentum. Spotting the ball wrong WAY more than before and counting off penalty yardage wrong on several occasions. Plus they're horrible on the mic trying to explain a call.

They're inconsistent more than anything though. 32 penalties called in one game and like 5 in another. It's just not the same.

Jesus · 09-25-2012, 10:33 AM

(09-25-2012 09:01 AM)Beef Wrote: I don't think it's the same. These refs are taking 3x longer to make their calls and killing momentum. Spotting the ball wrong WAY more than before and counting off penalty yardage wrong on several occasions. Plus they're horrible on the mic trying to explain a call.

They're inconsistent more than anything though. 32 penalties called in one game and like 5 in another. It's just not the same.

Yes but if the NFL had never told us about that these were replacement Refs than I doubt the complaints would be any different. Everyone complains about the Refs no matter who they are.

But this is not the end of the world scenario that the pundits are calling it. Steve Young was right. People love football and they love hating on Refs even more. This does not hurt the NFL. Its stronger than ever.

**papachaz** · 09-25-2012, 11:03 AM

my two thoughts on "the play"

first, clearly should have been a flag thrown on Tate for offensive pass interference. If that flag gets thrown, the rest of the play is meaningless

second, 'simultaneous possession" ...ok everyone is saying Jennings had possession first, BUT I have watched it over and over (as has the whole free world) this morning, and I have to say that, IMO, Tate did get a hand in on the ball before Jennings second foot hit the ground, and then began to wrestle for the ball

watching mike & mike this morning, Chris Carter says the WR doesn't have to have as much of the ball as the defender, and that one hand will get 'possession' called for the WR (he does think the call was bad though)

I've also seen it said that the replay official can NOT determine possession??? that's BS plain and simple, calls get challenged all the time for possession don't they?

***phocis850*** · 09-25-2012, 11:08 AM

(09-25-2012 09:01 AM)Beef Wrote: I don't think it's the same. These refs are taking 3x longer to make their calls and killing momentum. Spotting the ball wrong WAY more than before and counting off penalty yardage wrong on several occasions. Plus they're horrible on the mic trying to explain a call.

They're inconsistent more than anything though. 32 penalties called in one game and like 5 in another. It's just not the same.

3 weeks in and they are still rookies. What do you expect? Perfection?

What we fail to recognize is the fact that there is a ref lockout that could have ended at any time. These current refs didn't expect to be working much, if at all.

Beef · 09-25-2012, 11:29 AM

(09-25-2012 11:08 AM)phocis850 Wrote: 3 weeks in and they are still rookies. What do you expect? Perfection?

What we fail to recognize is the fact that there is a ref lockout that could have ended at any time. These current refs didn't expect to be working much, if at all.

I didn't say I expected anything. I just said it's not the same. I think there's a definite difference in the quality of game officiating.

BC32Falcons513 · 09-25-2012, 11:48 AM

***phocis850*** · 09-25-2012, 12:01 PM

(09-25-2012 11:29 AM)Beef Wrote: I didn't say I expected anything. I just said it's not the same. I think there's a definite difference in the quality of game officiating.

I agree with that. I think it will come in time though. If we have these guys for 14+ games, I'd want to keep them. The normal refs would be rusty and possibly screw up playoffs.

**papachaz** · 09-25-2012, 12:32 PM

(09-25-2012 12:20 AM)pauliwood Wrote: and just who do you think it is that does the reviewing?

aren't the guys in the booth still NFL administrative employees?

this pic about sums it up though.....