NFL: Scrub Refs finally screwed up a game to give the wrong team the win.

[juraitwaluzka]

Seems as though I may not have fully understood the replay rule aspect of it. I've seen today that you can't review simultaneous catch between the goal lines but you can in the end zone.

[ATLBound]

(09-25-2012 02:54 PM)Beef Wrote:  Where are you getting your info? Are you quoting from an NFL officiating manual? Or are you just paraphrasing 2nd/3rd/4th hand from what you've heard on TV?

The reason this is so overblown is because everyone who watched the game saw Jennings with 2 hands on the ball and pulled into his chest and cradled in his arm while Tate simply reached up and happened to get 1 hand pinned between the ball and Jennings' chest and then reached in with his right hand after and started pulling unsuccessfully at the ball.

Tate's right hand came in behind the ball after it was double-handed and pulled in by Jennings.

It's really mind boggling how anyone thinks this was a simultaneous catch.

Jennings = 2 hands + pulled into chest + cradled in arm
Tate = 1 hand + other hand from behind searching for grip

It is all about interpretation. I read the rule and it doesn't say anything about the ball having to be on the players chest.

It doesnt say Player A looks like he has the ball 70% and Player B 30%....so Player A wins.

The rule was posted in this thread I believe but I had read it previously.

It doesnt even say the player has to have 2 hands on it.

A "falling" catch means contained possession throughout the fall.

My PERSONAL opinion is that Jennings had two hands on it in the AIR and on the way down Tate properly placed his left hand in between the ball and jennings body and his right hand on the outside of the ball.

As they fell Jennings landed on top of Tate merely because Jennings had more balance than Tate and in real time I can fully understand how they called it a simo catch

Like I said I feel IMO that it could go both ways. Let's avoid thw absolute idea that there's no way that anybody can see it differently because it's obvious there are folks who see it a different way.

You're a very strong-minded person based on your posts, which isn't a bad thing, so I'm not here to change your mind. I say agree to disagree sort of because I see your way as well as the initial called way.

[ATLBound]

(09-25-2012 03:17 PM)juraitwaluzka Wrote:  Seems as though I may not have fully understood the replay rule aspect of it. I've seen today that you can't review simultaneous catch between the goal lines but you can in the end zone.

NFL Network said this morning that it couldn't be overturned but others have said it could. I would like clarification on this.

[papachaz]

(09-25-2012 08:32 AM)Jesus Wrote:  I'm sorry but I don't buy that there is any difference between these refs and the regular ones. Every year there are numerous games that are decided by a bad call or missed call or even a good call.

Remember the CJ catch a few years ago that necessitated a rule change?
Roddy's push off against the Ravens that led to a huge win?
Jennings no touch muff of the punt against the Eagles that could not be reviewed?
How many times do you yell at the TV when Abe is held?

Those are a few I remember but everyone complains when the refs miss calls then complain when they make calls. The refs are in a no win situation every week. Look at Belichik attack the ref after the game Sunday night despite the fact that the ref made the correct call with the field goal.

There is holding on every play in the NFL and some kind of pass interference on every pass play. Either they call it or they don't.

This is not the "Scary National Nightmare" that ESPN claims. It's only football. If this Goodell's plan to defer attention away from the head injury lawsuits than way to go. Cause that worked.

This morning, it was also pointed out that everyone is calling for Super Ed Hochuli to don his superman cape and come flying to the rescue. Then, miraculously pointed out, was a call in the San Diego/Denver game a few years ago was completely blown and cost the win. and it was pointed out that Hochuli was the ref that blew the call...and he even admitted it after the game.

They're all subjected to screwing up, and I do agree with the 'substiture teacher' comments that have been made. I kind of think this is why there were 24 penalties called last night, the subs trying to take control. thing is they suck at it a LOT worse than the regs do, some of those calls/non calls.....just wow

[pauliwood]

I think it comes down to having a first year med student preform open heart surgery, sure they might have a pretty good idea of what to do, however, it might get botched pretty bad.

[AUTiger7222]

I think the main problem is the refs don't know when to call defensive holding, or illegal contact or pass interference. All 3 penalties are different, but the refs are calling clear pass interference, illegal contract and clear holding calls are being called pass interference. The decision to throw the flag is correct because there was a clear penalty on the play but the penalty being called is clearly incorrect.

[juraitwaluzka]

(09-25-2012 04:47 PM)pauliwood Wrote:  I think it comes down to having a first year med student preform open heart surgery, sure they might have a pretty good idea of what to do, however, it might get botched pretty bad.

Reminds me of not too long ago when I saw a Groupon for surgery, which didn't sound like a very good idea to me