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AsylumGuido · 06-18-2012, 01:46 PM

(06-17-2012 11:45 PM)RFlagg Wrote:

No. I am just part of the growing tide that believes the Saints have been totally railroaded by Goodell and that he has terribly underestimated his power over the players. The coaches and front office were threatened to keep their mouths shut when he suspended them. He has discovered that the players are going to take the bogus punishment lying down.

AsylumGuido · 06-18-2012, 01:52 PM

(06-17-2012 04:04 PM)ATLBound Wrote: Sad things is they are trying to deny Shanle's admittance of it. He admitted to it. All he said was that it wasn't as bad as the NFL is making it out to be but Shanle admitted to the cartoffs and confirmed the contents of the ledger

Shanle did not admit to anything about a bounty on opposing players. THAT is what they were accused of. They were accused of INTENTIONALLY injuring opponents for pay. Shanle admitted to a pay for performance program and said that Gregg Williams used terms like whacks and cartoffs referring to legal hard hits. That is not a bounty as Goodell described to the press. The supposed ledger, which wasn't used as evidence at the appeal sham today, does not support the existence of bounties or intentional injuries to opponents.

AsylumGuido · 06-18-2012, 01:56 PM

(06-17-2012 12:30 AM)hitwriter Wrote: The post punishment/suspension evidence would be included/presented in the appeal process and must from what I understand therefore be shared.

They (the NFL) must feel it validates prior evidence.

It was shared, although not by the 72 hour deadline prior to the appeal as the CBA demands. Reports are that it included the Shanle article, the Pamphilon tape and a power point of quotes from Gregg Williams. Reportedly, it did not contain any evidence whatsoever supporting the claim of a bounty program.

TeamPlayer1 · 06-18-2012, 02:06 PM

(06-18-2012 01:56 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: It was shared, although not by the 72 hour deadline prior to the appeal as the CBA demands. Reports are that it included the Shanle article, the Pamphilon tape and a power point of quotes from Gregg Williams. Reportedly, it did not contain any evidence whatsoever supporting the claim of a bounty program.

The CBA calls for 3 calendar days not 72 hours. Vilma's lawyer is trying to twist the timeline. If the NFL provided any criteria anytime Friday the 15th that would satisfy the 3 calendar days.

***phocis850*** · 06-18-2012, 02:33 PM

You know what's awesome. I don't care what happens to the Saints.

I don't care if they are guilty or not. I'm just surprised that you haven't learned anything yet Guido.
You don't know a damn thing. Nor do we or anyone else.
That's how it goes. Deal with it when we DO know something.

Don't blurt out facts saying this and that until all the evidence is presented. Until then its all just speculation and opinion.

ATLBound · 06-18-2012, 03:09 PM

(06-18-2012 01:52 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: Shanle did not admit to anything about a bounty on opposing players. THAT is what they were accused of. They were accused of INTENTIONALLY injuring opponents for pay. Shanle admitted to a pay for performance program and said that Gregg Williams used terms like whacks and cartoffs referring to legal hard hits. That is not a bounty as Goodell described to the press. The supposed ledger, which wasn't used as evidence at the appeal sham today, does not support the existence of bounties or intentional injuries to opponents.

Shanle said if the legal hits lead to an injury then they still got paid for it, which means they got paid for injuries. The intent doesn't matter. This falls in line with why Shanle said it wasn't as bad as the NFL was making it out to be.

NZFalcon · 06-18-2012, 05:07 PM

(06-18-2012 01:52 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: Gregg Williams used terms like whacks and cartoffs referring to legal hard hits.

Anomaly · 06-18-2012, 05:39 PM

https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/...4297885696

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NFL just showed reporters evidence in Saints case, incl allegation of $35k bounty, not just $10k, to knock Favre out of '09 NFC title game.

https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/...9946088449

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NFL also showed evidence on ledger that S Roman Harper once was due$1000 for knocking NYG RB Brandon Jacobs from a game.

https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/...7675947009

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The $35k bounty on Favre, the league claims, included a $5000 pledge from current interim Saints coach Joe Vitt.

ATLBound · 06-18-2012, 05:45 PM

(06-18-2012 05:39 PM)Anomaly Wrote: https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/...4297885696

https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/...9946088449

https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/...7675947009

Let the denial resume. :/

Anomaly · (This post was last modified: 06-18-2012 06:03 PM by Anomaly.)

https://twitter.com/realfreemancbs/statu...9359564800

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Gregg Wiliams was clearly the biggest source for NFL but no question league has many other sources.

https://twitter.com/realfreemancbs/statu...7051352064

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Owner Benson was cooperative with the league granting investigators access to Saints computer system.

https://twitter.com/realfreemancbs/statu...4113124353

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Dumbass Saints kept bounty info on computer system.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...9728969728

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NFL showed slides from Saints computers on 1/7/11,saying: "Now's the time to do our jobs, collect bounty $. No apologies. Let's go hunting."