NFL: Saints Bounty Thread

[AsylumGuido]

(06-02-2012 04:58 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  Here was part of the "leaker's" screw-up.

In the ledger, payments of $1,000 for cart-offs (a hit that resulted in a player being helped off the field), $400 for whacks (hard hits) and $100 deductions for mental errors were kept track of for each player.

Two specific entries for the 2009 season were shown during one meeting. In a game at Buffalo on Sept. 27, 2009, there were three $1,000 awards. In a game against the New York Giants on Oct. 18, there was a $1,000 bounty awarded for one cart-off. [Ed note: In that Giants game, tackle Kareem McKenzie was taken off on a cart with a strained groin, which hardly seems like it should qualify.]

Their were four players in the Buffalo game referenced that were "carted off". Three of them were defensive players. How could a defensive player be rewarded for the "cart off" of another defensive player?

And the single supposed "cart off" award in the Giants games was for a strained groin?

Sounds like more of Goodell's grasping for straws to cover his ass in the concussion litigations to me. If this is all he has then he is up shit creek.

Apparently, Mike Florio of NBC Sports, who has begun to increasingly doubt the validity of Goodell's accusations, was the one that noted the blatant discrepancy between the supposed ledger and the two games they referenced according to the "source". Soon after he challenged the claims that the three $1000 cart offs could not have applied to the 2009 Buffalo game, Yahoo retracted and republished that it was actually the Carolina game in October. Well, how is it that the only Carolina player injured in that game was a LB? Big problem there too, right?

The more "evidence" that comes out continues to cast just that much more doubt on Goodell's accusations.

[AsylumGuido]

Lawyer for Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma issues statement about ledger allegation

Peter Ginsberg, the attorney for New Orleans Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma, issued a statement Saturday about the Yahoo! Sports story on the existence of a ledger that tracked payments in the Saints' bounty program. Vilma is challenging his suspension and has filed a defamation suit against NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.

Here is his statement:

The story published by Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports yesterday quoting two anonymous sources suggesting that there exists a supposed ledger showing the existence of a Bounty Program run by the New Orleans Saints is yet more evidence of how misguided and irresponsible Commissioner Goodell has been in handling this issue. Even the sources' own description of the "ledger" undermines the Commissioner's allegations and accusations:

Commissioner Goodell accuses Saints players of putting money on the head of specific opposing players - the so-called ledger, as described by the anonymous sources, identifies no players, either Saints or opposing players;

Commissioner Goodell accuses the Saints defensive teams with having operated a Bounty Program - statistics of the 2009 Buffalo Bills game, which the anonymous sources first identified as the game in question, and the 2009 Carolina Panthers game, which the sources now claim is the game in question, show that opposing defensive players, not offensive players, were the brunt of any physical plays; and

Commissioner Goodell must know, having been told by the author of the so-called ledger as well as by numerous other people, that a Saints assistant coach passed out minimal amounts of money for good, clean, legal plays, and that the "whacks" and "cart-off," though regrettably named, were descriptions of good, clean, legal plays, and that any dirty or penalized play resulted in fines to players, not awards.

The truth is that Jonathan Vilma gave no money, incentive or encouragement ever - not at any time in his eight-year career - to injure or knock out of any game any player with a dirty or unsportsmanlike hit. The facts are plain and simple. During the three seasons in question, Jonathan Vilma was one of the least penalized players not only on the Saints but in the NFL. There is not one instance in which Jonathan Vilma set out to injure a player or gave any incentive to another player to injure an opposing player.

[pauliwood]

(06-02-2012 04:58 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  Sounds like more of Goodell's grasping for straws to cover his ass in the concussion litigations to me. If this is all he has then he is up shit creek.

Fucking delusional, and back to square 1 I see.

I'm done with your bat shit crazy nonsense, welcome to the ignore list.

[juraitwaluzka]

Well, y'all asked for it lol

[mdrake34]

[RFlagg]

(06-02-2012 05:32 PM)pauliwood Wrote:  Fucking delusional, and back to square 1 I see.

I done with your bat shit crazy nonsense, welcome to the ignore list.

That actually seems to be making my browsing experience better. I'm not having to go through the crazy to get actual news. However, based on your response, it would seem the evidence with the ledger hasn't changed his tune one bit. I'm not surprised.

[AsylumGuido]

(06-02-2012 05:32 PM)pauliwood Wrote:  Fucking delusional, and back to square 1 I see.

I done with your bat shit crazy nonsense, welcome to the ignore list.

You should have done that ages ago ... the ignore list that is. That will assure that I won't get anymore of those irrational responses.

[AsylumGuido]

(06-02-2012 06:04 PM)RFlagg Wrote:  That actually seems to be making my browsing experience better. I'm not having to go through the crazy to get actual news. However, based on your response, it would seem the evidence with the ledger hasn't changed his tune one bit. I'm not surprised.

Yup. The "evidence" with the ledger has more holes in it than Pauliwood's underwear.

[pauliwood]

Gotcha

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[Beef]

Right, because "cart-off" has soooooo many interpretations. Or wait..... No, it does not.

It's THE SAINT'S LEDGER and it has the word "CART-OFF" in it. And a VALUE associated with those cart-offs.

Whether injuries actually happened or not doesn't fucking matter.

The only "holes" present here are yours. You can't deny that the ledger is from the Saints and "cart-offs" has only ONE damn meaning. It 10000000% PROVES a pay for injury bounty system existed.

Stop being such a crazy fuck.