NFL: Saints Bounty Thread

[AsylumGuido]

(05-15-2012 10:28 PM)phocis850 Wrote:  Goodell just got a fat paycheck. You think he is stupid enough to rip it in half?

Goodell isn't going to make a move he isn't sure of. There is zero panic attack in the comish's seat.

Yup. A major paycheck and he doesn't want to lose it.

Tell me, what is the best way for Mr. Goodell to lose his gravy position?

I'll tell you. It is if it hits his bosses in the pocketbook. The owners. What is the number one threat to the owners right now?

The 1500 plus lawsuits from former players.

Believe me, there is MAJOR panic going on with Goodell right now. I feel made what he was told by his lawyers would be a good preemptive move to mitigate the massive number of lawsuits coming down upon his leadership.

I also feel that there was a little smoke with no real fire concerning the Saints, but given the timeline it was the best avenue to build a case of caring.

So, given a few dots very, very far apart, Goodell took out his omnipotent pencil and began connecting unrelated dots.

But, what if something contradicted his design? It was, of course, ignored.

[Beef]

(05-15-2012 10:50 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  Believe me....

LOL!

Ummmmm, no. I don't think we will. You don't actually have a fucking clue about anything. You have zero credibility here any longer.

[phocis850]

(05-15-2012 10:56 PM)Beef Wrote:  LOL!

Ummmmm, no. I don't think we will. You don't actually have a fucking clue about anything. You have zero credibility here any longer.

I agree with this. Guido, you are ignoring the obvious and too close minded on the matter.

The problem that you are facing is that you are trying to tell us Falcons fans that the Saints are better than this.
#1, we don't care.
#2, we don't believe the "conspiracy".
#3, we've been through this bs before.
#4, we KNOW when there's smoke there's fire.
#5, Goodell cares too much about his own job to do something stupid.

What you are saying is that Goodell is not capable of making an unbiased decision, when in fact, your very owner helped to vote him into position. You are saying that the guy can't connect dots correctly, yet he has all the findings. I'm just not understanding your logic on how this guy is so dumb but makes $10million per year being so dumb.

[Dale4Saul2Red0]

Is he still going? LMAO

[ATLBound]

(05-15-2012 07:03 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  While it wasn't talked about in the media that much it was talked about to the NFLPA and mentioned as key evidence by both Goodell and White. My only question is why isn't the other email that Ornstein sent from the halfway house before the Carolina game being touted more by the league. You were aware of that one, right? I not sure that one made it to the coaches or not, but Ornstein also said he jokingly mentioned $5000 on Newton, too.

According to Goodell's statement when laying down penalties, they had indication that Favre (Jan 2010), Warner (Jan 2010), Rodgers (Sept 2011) and Newton (Oct 2011) had been targeted. Those correspond directly to the word of mouth from the Vikings source and the two emails from Ornstein. Those are the only players the league has mention as being targeted. All four are directly related to questionable evidence. Don't forget that the original Vikings source recanted on his claim. That was shared by the league. That's why they dropped the investigation back in February 2010 and didn't open it again until January of 2012 when another source that had been fired back in 2010 came up with claims.

Could it be that the second email from Ornstein had a smilie or an "LOL"?

The way you assume the direct opposite is extremely delusional. YOU have NO evidence. So you're assuming to the EXTREME power that the second email has some implication of a joke.

Do you realize that so far you have the NFL lieing on many occasions, "hiding" evidence they don't have, getting a lawyer from a powerful firm to lie for them, being inconsistent, being stupid and too quick to judge, etc?

The longer this debate goes and the more you have to cover up what the NFL has to make it look good for the Saints, then the more delusional your story gets. ALL OF THESE COMPONENTS have to come together PERFECTLY for your claims to be true.

[ATLBound]

(05-15-2012 10:38 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  Who is to know he didn't? All we heard from Goodell is that when Payton was asked, blindsided, about the email with the PS from Ornstein was this in the official announcement from Goodell:

When interviewed in 2012, Sean Payton claimed to be entirely unaware of the program, a claim contradicted by others. Further, prior to the Saints' opening game in 2011, Coach Payton received an email from a close associate that stated in part, "PS Greg Williams put me down for $5000 on Rogers (sic)." When shown the email during the course of the investigation, Coach Payton stated that it referred to a "bounty" on Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers.


Now, the media has reported that Payton said that the email referred to an ongoing bounty system. You see Goodell's official statement here. It doesn't say that. Does it not make since that when Payton was shown this email for the first time that he might say that it referred to a bounty, but that it was not a real bounty but an ongoing joke? At that point Goodell possibly had his mind made up and knew that by punishing a team for systematically injuring opponents may weaken the case against the league over the concussion issues.

Even if we could believe what Goodell stated that Payton said, it still doesn't give any proof whatsoever of a bounty system.

I promise you that I'm not trying to be offensive when I say what I am about to say. I am certainly just being very truthful when I say this.

This is by far the dumbest shit I have read from you. Falconidae asked ONE SIMPLE QUESTION. Where is the statement from Sean Payton saying that he never read the email and also an explanation of an ongoing joke?

But instead of providing that statement you write a response full of blank assumptions. What in the hell? I will try again for him. Here we go again and let's see if we can get this right.

Without any assumptions, where is the statement from Payton explaining that he never read the email?

Without any assumptions, where is the statement from Payton explaining that he never read the email?

Without any assumptions, where is the statement from Payton explaining that he never read the email?

Without any assumptions, where is the statement from Payton explaining that he never read the email?

Without any assumptions, where is the statement from Payton explaining that he never read the email?

This is what I want, nothing else. No assumptions, no pulling shit out of your ass or the depths of your warped biased mind (whichever one is closer), don't ignore it, just provide the statement.

Another question and I hope you don't ignore the whole post just to answer the part of the post you feel you have an answer to.

But if this was an ongoing joke as Ornstein claims and there were other emails, then why didn't Payton just say that or are you just gonna assume that he did and Goodell didn't put it in the statement?

Alos since I already know that you're gonna assume that he did advise it was an ongoing joke, then why didn't Payton come out with a statement on his own advising that he mentioned it was a joke and Goodell didn't provide his full statement?

Sincerely yours,
AtlBound

P.S. Your delusions are rotting your braing. (This was in "jest")

[AsylumGuido]

(05-15-2012 10:42 PM)Beef Wrote:  Ugh, not this fucking shit yet again.

We have seen real evidence, you just choose to ignore it or misrepresent it. However, that doesn't even matter. Goodell has seen all the evidence and for the sake of protecting the whistle blowers and the integrity of future whistle blowers, he hasn't let us see it all, and rightly so.

You can't act like there is no evidence just because you haven't seen it all when you know damn well it just hasn't been released for a good reason.

As a result, you are not in a position the claim the email is absolutely a joke. You simply do not have any proof of that and you are significantly less informed than those who have actually investigated everything and contend its relating to an actual bounty.

No. None of us have seen real evidence other that the declaration and that didn't proclaim anything.

I have a serious question for you. Do you believe in justice? Right now you are acting like you believe in an end not the means to that end. You want the Saints to be guilty so bad that you care nothing about knowing the truth.

I am beginning to believe that you are beginning to fear the truth because it may not confirm your hopes.

The problem is that those who investigated have no checks or balances. And don't try to tell me that some lawyer paid by the league is a check or balance. Those who investigated have a very real reason to find something to punish that would show organized player intent on injury to players.

You, sir, act like there really is evidence when you haven't seen any at all. Would not you think that if Goodell had anything stronger than everything he has released and been publicly questioned about that he might share even a tad of it? Why release and base your public case based solely upon weak inferences?

[ChrisD]

Hey Guido, is this the "NFL is out to get the Saints" card again?

[AsylumGuido]

(05-16-2012 12:17 AM)ATLBound Wrote:  I promise you that I'm not trying to be offensive when I say what I am about to say. I am certainly just being very truthful when I say this.

This is by far the dumbest shit I have read from you. Falconidae asked ONE SIMPLE QUESTION. Where is the statement from Sean Payton saying that he never read the email and also an explanation of an ongoing joke?

But instead of providing that statement you write a response full of blank assumptions. What in the hell? I will try again for him. Here we go again and let's see if we can get this right.

Without any assumptions, where is the statement from Payton explaining that he never read the email?

Without any assumptions, where is the statement from Payton explaining that he never read the email?

Without any assumptions, where is the statement from Payton explaining that he never read the email?

Without any assumptions, where is the statement from Payton explaining that he never read the email?

Without any assumptions, where is the statement from Payton explaining that he never read the email?

This is what I want, nothing else. No assumptions, no pulling shit out of your ass or the depths of your warped biased mind (whichever one is closer), don't ignore it, just provide the statement.

Another question and I hope you don't ignore the whole post just to answer the part of the post you feel you have an answer to.

But if this was an ongoing joke as Ornstein claims and there were other emails, then why didn't Payton just say that or are you just gonna assume that he did and Goodell didn't put it in the statement?

Alos since I already know that you're gonna assume that he did advise it was an ongoing joke, then why didn't Payton come out with a statement on his own advising that he mentioned it was a joke and Goodell didn't provide his full statement?

Sincerely yours,
AtlBound

P.S. Your delusions are rotting your braing. (This was in "jest")

Okay. How about this? This was published over two months ago on March 9th! Here is the link:

Mike Ornstein's association with New Orleans Saints and bounty scandal a perplexing situation

Among the 18,000 documents league investigators examined is an email from Ornstein to Saints' coaches last season in which he pledged money for a knockout blow to Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers before the NFL kickoff game, according to a source familiar with the situation.

That same source insists Ornstein sent the message in jest. Payton reportedly told NFL investigators last week he did not read the email.

Whether the NFL buys either claim remains to be seen. This isn't a court of law. The league can and will rule on its own volition.

____________________________________________

I have put up with a lot of shit here but I am making nothing up. This was reported two frickin' months ago!!!

Two months ago before any of you even knew about the email it was already identified as "in jest"! This isn't anything new or anything I made up.

Two months ago Sean Payton TOLD the league when he first talked to them that he had never read the email ... just as I said!!

Some of you claim to know so much about what is going on but are so misinformed about the facts.

[AsylumGuido]

(05-16-2012 12:54 AM)ChrisD Wrote:  Hey Guido, is this the "NFL is out to get the Saints" card again?

No. Not at all. The NFL is out to cover its ass any way it can against the lawsuits.