NFL: Saints Bounty Thread

[Beef]

(05-13-2012 05:44 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  I almost respect your opinion. But, that is all it is ... your opinion. But, I am beginning to get worried about what you might do as this case keeps crumbling. You have dedicated yourself to enjoying the downfall of the Saints. How did you put it? The Quagmire?

What will become of you if the two measly players that received punishment also get a reprieve? I hope it doesn't take too much of an emotional toll on you.

Yes, face it. What you were told to believe (by the same press that is now questioning what they were first told) you accepted without question because it was the Saints involved. Now that serious questions are being raised about the validity of evidence against the Saints players you are turning a blind eye and deaf ear to the very same source.

You sir have gone through what is called denial. I think you might have heard of that term. You chose to ignore the very sources that you built your initial belief upon.

Then, you entered that second stage of anger. That was when the questions began to overwhelm you. It is quite clear when you entered that stage. You were even warned by the site admin that you were losing it in a way. Knowing you, I have a feeling you will remain in this stage for quite a bit as I cannot see you moving on to bargaining. Anger appears to be a more comfortable range of emotion.

But, I'm here for you if you need me.

Wow, you really are an actual lunatic.

And just to set you straight on something, I've hardly read any print media on any of this. I listen to several talk-radio stations because they quote print media and then give much better input and logical analysis on it from multiple different perspectives. It's a much better way to understand what the print media is actually saying or infering most of the time. And then forming your own opinion after compiling it all together, I've learned is by far the best way to get to the truth.

As a result, I've formed my opinions through my own breakdown and logical applications of everything I've compiled.

You can keep the print-media. They suck at telling the truth and their context is always treated far too subjective and can be spun with bias way too damn easy. And you are a perfect example of this.

[AsylumGuido]

Saints grievance hearings coming on May 16, 30

If you weren’t watching PFT Live on Friday, you missed lawyer Peter Ginsberg talking extensively and in-depth regarding the issues arising from the NFL’s suspension of four players as a result of the bounty investigation: Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma, Saints defensive end Will Smith, Packers defensive end Anthony Hargrove, and Browns linebacker Scott Fujita.

Ginsberg, who represents Vilma, said that the two grievances filed earlier this month will be heard on May 16 and May 30.

The first hearing will focus on the argument that the new CBA prevents the NFL from taking action of any kind against players for conduct occurring before August 4, 2011, along with the question of whether the appeals should be heard not by Commissioner Roger Goodell but by Ted Cottrell or Art Shell, jointly hired and paid by the league and the NFLPA to resolve appeals for on-field discipline.

The May 30 hearing centers on the contention that, to the extent the discipline arises from extra money paid to players in violation of the salary cap, the matter should be resolved via Special Master Stephen Burbank.

Ginsberg also said that the league still has not given him or the NFLPA evidence proving that the players funded or received payments from a bounty program, and he confirmed that other legal proceedings could be utilized. The ultimate goal is to find a forum that will compel the NFL to share the evidence it has gathered regarding the question of whether the players are guilty, or innocent.

One way or the other, it’s only fair for the NFL to eventually disclose the evidence, and to provide a fair opportunity for Ginsberg and the NFLPA to scrutinize it.

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If, of course, they have anything else to share.

[AsylumGuido]

(05-13-2012 06:23 PM)Beef Wrote:  Wow, you really are an actual lunatic.

And just to set you straight on something, I've hardly read any print media on any of this. I listen to several talk-radio stations because they quote print media and then give much better input and logical analysis on it from multiple different perspectives. It's a much better way to understand what the print media is actually saying or infering most of the time. And then forming your own opinion after compiling it all together, I've learned is by far the best way to get to the truth.

As a result, I've formed my opinions through my own breakdown and logical applications of everything I've compiled.

You can keep the print-media. They suck at telling the truth and their context is always treated far too subjective and can be spun with bias way too damn easy. And you are a perfect example of this.

Oh! So you are basing everything you believe on talk radio! That makes it clearer. You are basing your opinion on lazy talk show hosts that can't do their own research and therefore trust what ever others say. Sorry, but you just blew every bit of your credibility out of the water there, my friend.

Yup. That makes denial so much easier when you are misinformed.

I truly hope you make it through the Anger stage. I would hate for something bad to happen.

[phocis850]

And your believing a defense lawyer that knows the same as everyone else.

LOL.

[phocis850]

Guido. What happens when the players remain suspended? Just assume nothing changes now, what happens from here? Do you always loathe Goodell and feel he has something against one of the greatest stories in NFL history?

Yes, I just said that. I love the Falcons, but I can admit that the Saints winning the SB after Katrina is an amazing story for any person. They helped unite the people of that crap hole.

So what happens when the ruling sticks?

[AsylumGuido]

(05-13-2012 07:22 PM)phocis850 Wrote:  And your believing a defense lawyer that knows the same as everyone else.

LOL.

No. I am also believing the NFLPA outside attorney that was a former US Attorney himself that said he was presented the evidence that the league claimed to have and none of it gave any proof of players donating money or collecting money for injuries to other player.

Oh, I listen to talk radio, too. I have it on in my car, at work and even sometimes at home. I balance what I hear there with other sources. From my experience, talk radio is among the worst sources available. They do not research personally. They simply say what they are fed.

[AsylumGuido]

(05-13-2012 07:28 PM)phocis850 Wrote:  Guido. What happens when the players remain suspended? Just assume nothing changes now, what happens from here? Do you always loathe Goodell and feel he has something against one of the greatest stories in NFL history?

Yes, I just said that. I love the Falcons, but I can admit that the Saints winning the SB after Katrina is an amazing story for any person. They helped unite the people of that crap hole.

So what happens when the ruling sticks?

If the ruling goes to Goodell alone it will stick. But, if it does stick, what you and I feel mean nothing. I love that crap hole. It is one of the greatest cities in the world. Others will believe whatever untruths are out there and diminish what the the Saints have accomplished.

And no, I don't think Goodell has anything against the Saints. I feel he saw an opportunity cover the ass of the NFL by applying discipline over something he spent years denying. I think he reacted a bit to quickly without real evidence and now can't back out.

[Beef]

(05-13-2012 07:21 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  Oh! So you are basing everything you believe on talk radio! That makes it clearer. You are basing your opinion on lazy talk show hosts that can't do their own research and therefore trust what ever others say. Sorry, but you just blew every bit of your credibility out of the water there, my friend.

Yup. That makes denial so much easier when you are misinformed.

I truly hope you make it through the Anger stage. I would hate for something bad to happen.

You're the last one to be a judge of what's credible or not. Beside that, you don't get to just blanket discredit all talk-radio as if it's nothing but insubstantial content. We have some of the best in this country here in Atlanta radio and only a complete ignorant imbicile would accuse them of being lazy hacks who aren't smart enough to do research and form quality educated analysis and opinions.

Not to mention, as I said, they read the articles from print media on the radio. So it's not like I'm not getting the exact same information you are getting. And I do my own research to backup what I say, which includes reading ad hoc pieces such as Hargrove's declaration or Mary Jo White's statements. I just don't go to the print media sites much and read single individual journalist's biased-filled one-sided opinions and accept them as fact like you do.

It's amazing how off the deepend you are. It's to the point you're grasping at straws with every confutation you attempt. You purposely ignore the entire truth of every detail and pick out only what you can spin into your bogus retort.

Pathetic.

[Drathdon]

Since you keep bringing up that email, you do realize that Sean himself was the one that admitted that email was a reference to the bounty program that the aints were running? I know you refuse all sources, but have you gotten some info to disprove your own coach's words yet?

You keep clinging to your ability to throw doubt on anything released (convincingly or not), and refuse to accept the fact that Sean, Williams, Hargrove... not one of them came out an said there was not a bounty program - they only say they did not admit to one.

Yet, when Loomis was accused of spying, you get an immediate press conference with "1000%" denial. Why would he deny that so vehemently, but not one press conference has done the same for what he was actually punished for?

[cooperbh]

I was having lunch with my mom and grandfather today, when my grandfather brought up the Saints and Bountygate. My mom, who knows next to nothing about football, inquired, "Is that the team who cheated in the Super Bowl?" I replied, "Pretty much." And so the legitimacy of the Saints championship further deteriorates.

There is no amount of "proof" that can undo the perception currently held by football fans and non-fans alike on this matter. The Taints, the Black Sox, Ben Johnson, the Boston College basketball team, Barry Bonds... all one in the same at this point. Who really cares if it's true or not?

The real beauty here is that no Saints fan can ever bring up their Super Bowl win again in any sort of public forum without having to encounter words like "bounty" and "cheaters." That's the reality of the situation and it won't change until the Saints win a post-Bountygate Super Bowl. Tick, tock. Tick tock.

The fact that frantic homers like Guido are all over the internet desperately attempting to restore the honor of their fallen franchise makes me happier than just about anything. Everytime he vainly posts another one of his useless articles, I crack a huge smile knowing he and his ilk are suffering so over all this.